Comments on: 2 key differences between Senate and House health bill

By: Lajeli

Lajeli — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:53:53 +0000

School-based health centers will now provide care as follows:

“`(A) PHYSICAL- Comprehensive health assessments, diagnosis, and treatment of minor, acute, and chronic medical conditions, and referrals to, and follow-up for, specialty care and oral health services.
`(B) MENTAL HEALTH- Mental health and substance use disorder assessments, crisis intervention, counseling, treatment, and referral to a continuum of services including emergency psychiatric care, community support programs, inpatient care, and outpatient programs.”
(SEC. 399Z-1. SCHOOL-BASED HEALTH CENTERS)

I don’t think I want the public school system doing this…anyone else?

By: Lajeli

Lajeli — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:32:05 +0000

Also this:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/12/reid_bill_declares_future_cong_1.asp

which says that page 1020 of the bill that passed states:
“it shall not be in order in the senate or the house of representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection”

So no future congress could amend the health care bill…hmmmm too weird for me

By: Lajeli

Lajeli — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:27:42 +0000

Found this article today…
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7017373722?Construction%20Industry%20Angry%20Over%20Provision%20In%20Senate%20Health%20Care%20Bill

Which says:
“The Senate bill has a provision requiring businesses with over 50 employees to pay a fine of $750-per-worker fine for any employee who purchases subsidized health insurance on their own. However, the provision was amended to require construction businesses with more than five employees to pay the same fine”

By: Lajeli

Lajeli — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:13:56 +0000

HR Number 2: Thanks for the reminder and for bringing respect back to the conversation!

By: Lajeli

Lajeli — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:12:39 +0000

Sharon: You are speaking well for the unborn as well as the born. I wish more of us would speak for those who cannot speak for themselves.
I agree with your posts and hope you continue speaking your mind. You seem to be a in a position to have had to learn the hard way what you already knew to be true…When people take care of people, things change for the better and government involvement seems to get in the way more than it helps.

Better late than never right?

By: Lajeli

Lajeli — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:54:40 +0000

Betterway: You say that abotion is a personal choice but there are those that would argue that life begins with a heartbeat (because the end of the heartbeat is the determination of death) and therefore, it would be murder or unconstitutional for a woman to choose to end the life. If this were true, then it wouldn’t matter what the circumstances are, the death would be illegal.
Sara: No one should get a free ride becuae every human life has a value and a purpose. Each person should have a way to contribute to the society in which s/he lives and in that way, earn enough to cover their needs. Anything else would be to say that there are some who are valuable and they should be forced to contribute while there are those who are less valuable if valuable at all and they should be provided for by others. This system would undercut the basic premise of the foundation of US society and would also undercut the understood moral foundation of most Christian religions.
JAGGER: You are dead on. Health care is the product of private industry and is not a right provided by the US Constitution. Many people in the health care industy as well as in charitable groups are currently acting to help provide healthcare to those who need it. St Jude’s Hospital does a great job of this. Ronald McDonald house helps to support those whose children are suffering. Catholic Charities helps many people in many way, not just heatlh care and these are just three of the biggest groups I can think of on the spur of the moment. The list is much longer and I am sure those of you who don’t believe it yet, can research what is happening and see that yes, indeed, many people who cannot afford health care are receiving it anyway from the goodness of others. Government involvement is not required to solve the problem and as history has taught us, is likely to worsen the problem instead of making things better.
Rick: I agree. health care is one thing and health insurance is quite another. Let’s not let insurance get any bigger. Let’s help bring health care to an affordable level without insurance if possible. There are people who want what you describe when you say they want the government to provide and do not realize that since the government has no money, they create no wealth and only have the power to trasfer wealth from one source to another, what they are really saying is that they want to some individuals provide for other individuals under the force of the government and that is extremely un-American; so much so that it was one of the very principles this government was created to prevent. Worse case scenario, everyone drops out and asks the government to provide; at that point, where will the government get the funds to provide anything???

By: Rick

Rick — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:29:02 +0000

Sara wrote:

I do however, agree that if you are an ILLEGAL immigrant you should not be afforded benefits by the US Govt.’ Do what you need to do to become Legal, don’t take my tax money when you didn’t contribute anything. This is just fair!!

(don’t take my tax money when you didn’t contribute anything. This is just fair!!)????

Can I ask, what the majority of welfare recipients who are afforded benefits by our government have done to contribute to our system? Remember, if they are “poor” they don’t pay taxes.

So you are ok with giving everything to people who don’t contribute anything to our tax base as long as they are born here or immigrate here?

How is that “FAIR” to those of us who work hard and contribute?

Also, if everything is a “right” and should be provided by the government, what incentive is there to work? Why work when you can stay home and do nothing because the government will provide you with everything?

In 1996 Bill Clinton and a Republican Majority passed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, often referred to as the welfare-reform act. Since 1996, welfare caseloads have plummeted by 70 percent—8.8 million people off the rolls, which today are down to 3.8 million.

The legislation required states’ work-participation rates—that is, the percentage of people on welfare who were working or searching for work—to be at least 50 percent. But states were allowed to diminish that fraction by whatever percentage their welfare rolls had shrunk since 1995. By 2002, welfare rolls nationwide had fallen so steeply that 33 states could meet their obligations with work-participation rates of less than 10 percent.

The best way to help people is to encourage the growth of business and jobs that afford them the opportunity to work. Not the “right” to work, but the opportunity. They could then “choose” to provide “health insurance” for their families.

Our Health Care is already the best in the world, and EVERYONE has ACCESS to it.

We are talking about Health Insurance!!

Socialized Health Insurance/Care is a bad thing, and NO Government provides health care for anyone! The citizens of a country provide it.

Remember: The government cannot give to anyone anything it does not first take from someone else.

By: JAGGER

JAGGER — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:40:39 +0000

Sara, I am just a Christian and God loving as anyone, but sorry, I don’t agree with you. In American, we are guided by the Constitution our Founding Fathers drafted and ratified. The Constitution does not provide for Health Care Insurance. As far as Health Care is concerned, no one is denied Health Care….not even illegals. Break you leg, have a heart attack, get in an auto accident……..you name it……you go to the hospital and you get treated. So don’t continue to say no one gets help if they can’t pay for it. It is just that Health Care is not a right under the Constitution. If you want the Constitution changed to include it, then campain to change the Constitution. But, don’t ignore the constitution as if it not an importantant part of what makes America great.

By: Sara

Sara — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:58:06 +0000

FedUp I just have one question for you… what does GOD or being Christian have to do with denying healthcare to those who can not afford it ?

In fact anyone who calls themselves ” Christian” should realize that Health Care should be a RIGHT not a privledge. Would Jesus say to a dying man ” Sorry but I can’t help you because you can’t pay me?” I think not!!

Socialized medicine is NOT a bad thing. In most all other countries healthcare IS provided by the Govt. I personally would not mind an increase in taxes if that meant that everytime I am sick or had a toothache I wouldn’t have to worry about how I’m going to pay for it. It is disgraceful that so many Americans have to go with out dental care, medical care and/or medication due to their financial situation. This is not the way GOD would like us to treat on another!!

If this is a Country founded on Christian beliefs then how can any Christian deny medicine, healthcare and a better quality of life to ANYONE.

I do however, agree that if you are an ILLEGAL immegrant you should not be afforded benefits by the US Govt.’ Do what you need to do to become Legal, don’t take my tax money when you didn’t contribute anything. This is just fair!!

Health Care should be a RIGHT not a Privledge!!!!!!!

By: HR Number 2

HR Number 2 — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:10:45 +0000

This is all very interesting reading. However, I do not believe it is necessary to call people “idiots”, etc. just because you disagree with their comments. You are, in essence, causing people not to respond due to you being “mean”. All ideas have some validity and it may just get someone thinking of a solution. Please be “nice”.