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		<title>By: Janet in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be sure to check the FLSA requirements - especially for the 9 hr day with a day off every other week.   EE&#039;s subject to FLSA must be be paid overtime for hours worked in excess of the standard workweek (or workday) established.   If the typical office employee has a 40 hr standard work week and then works 36 in one week and 44 in the next week - 4 hours are overtime at time and a half.  10 hours is very long day so they want a 30 minute lunch break.  OK.  Then comes needing to use 10 hours S/L or VAC when absent;  the office go-out-to lunch for an hour and they need to use 30 minutes of leave credits; EE&#039;s cannot change their scedule every payperiod to maximize to their own benefit.   So many laws to juggle....which is why flexible schedules are not what they once could be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure to check the FLSA requirements &#8211; especially for the 9 hr day with a day off every other week.   EE&#8217;s subject to FLSA must be be paid overtime for hours worked in excess of the standard workweek (or workday) established.   If the typical office employee has a 40 hr standard work week and then works 36 in one week and 44 in the next week &#8211; 4 hours are overtime at time and a half.  10 hours is very long day so they want a 30 minute lunch break.  OK.  Then comes needing to use 10 hours S/L or VAC when absent;  the office go-out-to lunch for an hour and they need to use 30 minutes of leave credits; EE&#8217;s cannot change their scedule every payperiod to maximize to their own benefit.   So many laws to juggle&#8230;.which is why flexible schedules are not what they once could be.</p>
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		<title>By: BobW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful comments both for and against 4-10s. How about a compromise? I worked in a govt agency that worked 9 hour days (isnt that what we actually work anyway, even if only scheduled for 8?) Mon-Thur and 8 hours every other Friday. That&#039;s right, we had every other Friday off, so that helped manage the PTO, and yet still had 80 hours scheduled for the two-week pay period. It took a bit for employees to get used to, when first implemented, but most figured out how to make the most of it for balancing work-life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful comments both for and against 4-10s. How about a compromise? I worked in a govt agency that worked 9 hour days (isnt that what we actually work anyway, even if only scheduled for 8?) Mon-Thur and 8 hours every other Friday. That&#8217;s right, we had every other Friday off, so that helped manage the PTO, and yet still had 80 hours scheduled for the two-week pay period. It took a bit for employees to get used to, when first implemented, but most figured out how to make the most of it for balancing work-life.</p>
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		<title>By: Lajeli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lajeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in HR in manufacturing.  We have tried many different schedules (especially recently) and I have found that no matter what we do, some people will love it and some people will hate it.  4-10s are great for some employees and a nightmare for others.  We will never make the entire group happy so we write the schedule to the workload.  
 
I think employees can be a little spoiled.  A four-day work week decision needs to be made on what is best for the long-term success and security of the organization and not based on who has soccer games on Thursdays.  I can see where an organization who develops a schedule more for the employees than for the service of its customers could end up with more problems than they can handle.  Not only do you risk the business that pays all the employees in the first place but you also risk a lot of arguments and bickering over who got the shcedule they wanted.  

H.B. also has a good point about kids being a little spoiled.  My three children have always been involved in activities and it seems that wehnever I am not going to one event or another, I am working like crazy to earn the money to pay for the activity (Schools here don&#039;t sponsor band activities which typically run about $2000 per school year).  Sometimes I wonder how on earth my 4 siblings and I made it in a one-income family and still managed to all take part in activites, sports music lessons...etc!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in HR in manufacturing.  We have tried many different schedules (especially recently) and I have found that no matter what we do, some people will love it and some people will hate it.  4-10s are great for some employees and a nightmare for others.  We will never make the entire group happy so we write the schedule to the workload.  </p>
<p>I think employees can be a little spoiled.  A four-day work week decision needs to be made on what is best for the long-term success and security of the organization and not based on who has soccer games on Thursdays.  I can see where an organization who develops a schedule more for the employees than for the service of its customers could end up with more problems than they can handle.  Not only do you risk the business that pays all the employees in the first place but you also risk a lot of arguments and bickering over who got the shcedule they wanted.  </p>
<p>H.B. also has a good point about kids being a little spoiled.  My three children have always been involved in activities and it seems that wehnever I am not going to one event or another, I am working like crazy to earn the money to pay for the activity (Schools here don&#8217;t sponsor band activities which typically run about $2000 per school year).  Sometimes I wonder how on earth my 4 siblings and I made it in a one-income family and still managed to all take part in activites, sports music lessons&#8230;etc!</p>
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		<title>By: H.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a different thought here to relay on comments made on how the 4-10 hour shifts would not work.  The moms and dads that are working and trying to take their kids everywhere because they are in everything is not necessary.  Kids are way too spoil and have to have everything and be in everything.  It puts too much pressure on the kids and the parents.  When I was growing up my responsibilkities were caring for my brothers and helping my parents around the house when I was not in school and my brothers were maybe in one sport in which they found their own way there .  We all turned out great and all of us work hard and have good jobs.  In fact, one of my brothers is a doctor and a Colonel in the Air Force. And We didn&#039;t even have cell phones to call and text all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a different thought here to relay on comments made on how the 4-10 hour shifts would not work.  The moms and dads that are working and trying to take their kids everywhere because they are in everything is not necessary.  Kids are way too spoil and have to have everything and be in everything.  It puts too much pressure on the kids and the parents.  When I was growing up my responsibilkities were caring for my brothers and helping my parents around the house when I was not in school and my brothers were maybe in one sport in which they found their own way there .  We all turned out great and all of us work hard and have good jobs.  In fact, one of my brothers is a doctor and a Colonel in the Air Force. And We didn&#8217;t even have cell phones to call and text all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: HR in Indy</title>
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		<dc:creator>HR in Indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!  As an HR executive and a member of a soccer board, I can&#039;t believe the comment about working and having a life outside of work.  We all have a life outside of work.  However, by working you are making a supreme sacrifice and should realize you are not going to be able to spend the time you want with your family.  The key is to spend good quality time when it presents itself.

With that being said, my company has given the employees an option of working 4 10&#039;s.  Not mandatory, strictly voluntary.  It is working wonderfully.  I can&#039;t imagine a company forcing a 4-10 on anyone.  I would think a plan like that would be doomed from the start.  Once we implemented the choice, we knew there would be employees who just weren&#039;t interested.  That is okay.  We are not a manufacturing plant where we have to be open 24-7.  It works just fine.  We schedule 30 days in advance and if it didn&#039;t work the previous 30 days for an employee, they have the right to opt out of the plan for the next 30 days.  They can then rejoin the following calendar month.  However, once they sign up at the beginning of the month, they are not allowed to drop out.  

This plan has drastically cut down on PTO useage and call ins.  Our payroll is much easier to process and the overall good feelings of choice has been a welcoming benefit to the employees.  We do not, however, allow our upper management to participate.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!  As an HR executive and a member of a soccer board, I can&#8217;t believe the comment about working and having a life outside of work.  We all have a life outside of work.  However, by working you are making a supreme sacrifice and should realize you are not going to be able to spend the time you want with your family.  The key is to spend good quality time when it presents itself.</p>
<p>With that being said, my company has given the employees an option of working 4 10&#8217;s.  Not mandatory, strictly voluntary.  It is working wonderfully.  I can&#8217;t imagine a company forcing a 4-10 on anyone.  I would think a plan like that would be doomed from the start.  Once we implemented the choice, we knew there would be employees who just weren&#8217;t interested.  That is okay.  We are not a manufacturing plant where we have to be open 24-7.  It works just fine.  We schedule 30 days in advance and if it didn&#8217;t work the previous 30 days for an employee, they have the right to opt out of the plan for the next 30 days.  They can then rejoin the following calendar month.  However, once they sign up at the beginning of the month, they are not allowed to drop out.  </p>
<p>This plan has drastically cut down on PTO useage and call ins.  Our payroll is much easier to process and the overall good feelings of choice has been a welcoming benefit to the employees.  We do not, however, allow our upper management to participate.  <img src='http://www.hrmorning.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I should read my own comment before hitting submit - should be a work-LIFE balance - not work-file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should read my own comment before hitting submit &#8211; should be a work-LIFE balance &#8211; not work-file.</p>
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		<title>By: CCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments...  I think offering the 4 day work week benefit shows employees you care about their work-file balance and scheduling issues.

What I can&#039;t believe are people who post messages that are written so poorly.  Many people might agree with your comment.  However, you won&#039;t get your point across with a poorly written comment. Read before you hit submit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments&#8230;  I think offering the 4 day work week benefit shows employees you care about their work-file balance and scheduling issues.</p>
<p>What I can&#8217;t believe are people who post messages that are written so poorly.  Many people might agree with your comment.  However, you won&#8217;t get your point across with a poorly written comment. Read before you hit submit.</p>
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		<title>By: Private Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>Private Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We didn&#039;t send soldiers to war for our dependance on oil...come on.  And I don&#039;t believe that it would be a sacrafice/contribution to bringing troops home to change to a 4 day work week.  It has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.  I only commute 5 miles to work, it would be a sacrafice against my family if I could not spend enough time with them or if I had to go to bed at 8pm because I had to get up at 3am to get ready to work or to commute an hour to work.  It would be a sacrafice for my children not to see their mom at their games when I have never missed one.  One day extra off per week to spend with my family will be better suited if I could divide that time between each weekday.  I am in HR and in Construction.  My husbands company has 2 crews who work the 4 10&#039;s week because there are out of town and a 3 day weekend serves them in the family area, he has 4 crews who will absolutely not go for it.  We compromise.  We live in a community and have a school district that saves gas by only running the buses it needs High School starts at 7:30, then same busses run to start Elementary which starts at 8:00am, then same buses pick up for middle school that starts at 8:50am.  By having this staggered start for different levels of school is a way to save gas and make the ozone better. However, anyone who has athletic children, 2 parents divide by 3 kids x 3 practices or games a week divided again by one parent who coaches and one parent who is a Little League Board Member = SACRAFICE FOR FAMILY.  

P.S.  I can not believe you used this website to display your mis-informed inaccuate feelings about the war into a discussion of a 4 day work week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We didn&#8217;t send soldiers to war for our dependance on oil&#8230;come on.  And I don&#8217;t believe that it would be a sacrafice/contribution to bringing troops home to change to a 4 day work week.  It has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.  I only commute 5 miles to work, it would be a sacrafice against my family if I could not spend enough time with them or if I had to go to bed at 8pm because I had to get up at 3am to get ready to work or to commute an hour to work.  It would be a sacrafice for my children not to see their mom at their games when I have never missed one.  One day extra off per week to spend with my family will be better suited if I could divide that time between each weekday.  I am in HR and in Construction.  My husbands company has 2 crews who work the 4 10&#8217;s week because there are out of town and a 3 day weekend serves them in the family area, he has 4 crews who will absolutely not go for it.  We compromise.  We live in a community and have a school district that saves gas by only running the buses it needs High School starts at 7:30, then same busses run to start Elementary which starts at 8:00am, then same buses pick up for middle school that starts at 8:50am.  By having this staggered start for different levels of school is a way to save gas and make the ozone better. However, anyone who has athletic children, 2 parents divide by 3 kids x 3 practices or games a week divided again by one parent who coaches and one parent who is a Little League Board Member = SACRAFICE FOR FAMILY.  </p>
<p>P.S.  I can not believe you used this website to display your mis-informed inaccuate feelings about the war into a discussion of a 4 day work week.</p>
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		<title>By: PA Stokke</title>
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		<dc:creator>PA Stokke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working 4 ten hour days has several benefits. One of the most important is that it is a way employers can have a positive effect on reducing oil consumption. By reducing oil consumption employees save money out of their already often stagnant incomes, which then results in fewer cars on the road and less oil consumed, creating an overall reduced negative impact on the environment and global warming. 

Most of all this is a tangible way that employers and employees, as American citizens can support our service men and women. If we reduce our dependency on oil we have less of a need to send soldiers to war.

And oh, yes, if the demand for oil goes down then the price of oil should go down.

So, 4 ten hour day work weeks can be a benefit or sacrifice, depending on your perspective. If it isn&#039;t a benefit for you to save $ and time, you can see it as a contribution to the effort to end the war in Iraq. Another way to look at it is 4 day work weeks is as a win win because it benefits me, the employee, who needs to save some money and it&#039;s a tangible way for me to support the troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working 4 ten hour days has several benefits. One of the most important is that it is a way employers can have a positive effect on reducing oil consumption. By reducing oil consumption employees save money out of their already often stagnant incomes, which then results in fewer cars on the road and less oil consumed, creating an overall reduced negative impact on the environment and global warming. </p>
<p>Most of all this is a tangible way that employers and employees, as American citizens can support our service men and women. If we reduce our dependency on oil we have less of a need to send soldiers to war.</p>
<p>And oh, yes, if the demand for oil goes down then the price of oil should go down.</p>
<p>So, 4 ten hour day work weeks can be a benefit or sacrifice, depending on your perspective. If it isn&#8217;t a benefit for you to save $ and time, you can see it as a contribution to the effort to end the war in Iraq. Another way to look at it is 4 day work weeks is as a win win because it benefits me, the employee, who needs to save some money and it&#8217;s a tangible way for me to support the troops.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been working 4 10&#039;s for a couple of years now.  I work from 5:30 am to 4:00 pm Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday&#039;s.  I LOVE IT.  My husband gets our child to the baby sitter in the mornings and I pick her up after work.  I dont miss a single school event with the nieces and nephews which are practically every evening.  I also get Wednesday&#039;s off to spend the entire day with my daughter.  I work in HR and my company works 24 hours shifts so I chose the morning time to see the employees.  With everything there has to be a balance.  My husband loves the one on one with our daughter in the morning and I love the one on one in the evening until he gets home at 5:00 pm.  I cherish my days off.  I am also a commuter (one hour each way to work).  The amount of money I have saved on gas is unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working 4 10&#8217;s for a couple of years now.  I work from 5:30 am to 4:00 pm Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday&#8217;s.  I LOVE IT.  My husband gets our child to the baby sitter in the mornings and I pick her up after work.  I dont miss a single school event with the nieces and nephews which are practically every evening.  I also get Wednesday&#8217;s off to spend the entire day with my daughter.  I work in HR and my company works 24 hours shifts so I chose the morning time to see the employees.  With everything there has to be a balance.  My husband loves the one on one with our daughter in the morning and I love the one on one in the evening until he gets home at 5:00 pm.  I cherish my days off.  I am also a commuter (one hour each way to work).  The amount of money I have saved on gas is unbelievable.</p>
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