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		<title>By: Essie</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/answers-to-tricky-hr-questions-have-to-pay-for-unapproved-ot/comment-page-1/#comment-19241</link>
		<dc:creator>Essie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelley - Thanks for your response. No, he is not exempt. He works for a small construction company, has no contract and is not a union member.  And he won&#039;t contact Wage &amp; Hour. He says if I do, he&#039;ll be fired. His boss also takes NO federal taxes out of the employee&#039;s paychecks, so they are all responsible for keeping track and paying up at the end of the year.  I&#039;m sure there are many small companies who illegally operate under the radar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelley &#8211; Thanks for your response. No, he is not exempt. He works for a small construction company, has no contract and is not a union member.  And he won&#8217;t contact Wage &amp; Hour. He says if I do, he&#8217;ll be fired. His boss also takes NO federal taxes out of the employee&#8217;s paychecks, so they are all responsible for keeping track and paying up at the end of the year.  I&#8217;m sure there are many small companies who illegally operate under the radar.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essie -

Is your spouse an exempt employee?  Is there some kind of union agreement that addresses over-time?  Finally, has he contacted wage and hour?  If he does this and loses his job he has another claim for retaliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essie -</p>
<p>Is your spouse an exempt employee?  Is there some kind of union agreement that addresses over-time?  Finally, has he contacted wage and hour?  If he does this and loses his job he has another claim for retaliation.</p>
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		<title>By: Essie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Essie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the OPPOSITE side of the overtime issue. My husband is often told to work overtime without over time pay.  It&#039;s been straight time for the past six years, no matter what the number of hours. Even during the building boom in 04-05 when huge profits were made by his company. And if you say no, YOU LOSE YOUR JOB, which would be a disaster in any economy.

Last Tuesday (July 21) he worked 7am to 11pm with a couple breaks for food.  NO OVERTIME for nearly 16 hours of work! Other times it was 50 or 60 hours a week.  But what really makes me mad is the company owner&#039;s wife is a member of SHRM here in Florida, and KNOWS their employees receive no overtime pay! And on top of that, they don&#039;t even have up-to-date insurance!  How do these people get away with this and how do still sleep at night???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the OPPOSITE side of the overtime issue. My husband is often told to work overtime without over time pay.  It&#8217;s been straight time for the past six years, no matter what the number of hours. Even during the building boom in 04-05 when huge profits were made by his company. And if you say no, YOU LOSE YOUR JOB, which would be a disaster in any economy.</p>
<p>Last Tuesday (July 21) he worked 7am to 11pm with a couple breaks for food.  NO OVERTIME for nearly 16 hours of work! Other times it was 50 or 60 hours a week.  But what really makes me mad is the company owner&#8217;s wife is a member of SHRM here in Florida, and KNOWS their employees receive no overtime pay! And on top of that, they don&#8217;t even have up-to-date insurance!  How do these people get away with this and how do still sleep at night???</p>
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		<title>By: Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most important thing is having a policy that communicates the expectations and the consequences of failing to abide by the policy.  If employees are not following the policy, then you must consistenty document the offense, the expectations and that failure to comply will result in...

Despite violating the policy, always pay the overtime.  There is no law that says that you can&#039;t terminate employees who violate a known policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most important thing is having a policy that communicates the expectations and the consequences of failing to abide by the policy.  If employees are not following the policy, then you must consistenty document the offense, the expectations and that failure to comply will result in&#8230;</p>
<p>Despite violating the policy, always pay the overtime.  There is no law that says that you can&#8217;t terminate employees who violate a known policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem we have is that our employees are not working during the unapproved overtime.  

They either arrive early, clock in, and then go to the employees lounge to drink coffee until it&#039;s time for work.  Another tactic they use is when the work day is over, the go to the lounge and hang around for half an hour before clocking out.

Cutting their hours is not an option in our case.  We are a school and must abide by the DOE&#039;s student to adult ratio.  Cutting their hours would result in a violation of the DOE policy.

A rock and a hard place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem we have is that our employees are not working during the unapproved overtime.  </p>
<p>They either arrive early, clock in, and then go to the employees lounge to drink coffee until it&#8217;s time for work.  Another tactic they use is when the work day is over, the go to the lounge and hang around for half an hour before clocking out.</p>
<p>Cutting their hours is not an option in our case.  We are a school and must abide by the DOE&#8217;s student to adult ratio.  Cutting their hours would result in a violation of the DOE policy.</p>
<p>A rock and a hard place?</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a written policy that working unapproved overtime would result in disciplinary action, but the big boss was very young in experience and would not let the supervisors follow up on the disciplinary action, he&#039;d just &quot;talk to the employee about it.&quot;  This didn&#039;t work at all; people continued to work unapproved overtime, come in early or stay late without regard for company need, and as he continued his &quot;conversation without consequence&quot; practice, people just felt nagged bug weren&#039;t inspired to change their behavior.  He wouldn&#039;t change the policy to reflect what he was actually willing to do, just in case he changed his mind at some point.  

Finally the supervisors got together and reduced the scheduled work days of people who continued to work unapproved overtime.  In CA, you get paid OT for any work over 8 hours in a day, you can&#039;t just round out the week.  By taking away a full scheduled workday for repeat offenders, they lost the financial incentive and also were hit with peer pressure by the team members who had to pick up the lost shifts.   And since paid time off was calculated by actual hours worked for hourly staff, they also lost the opportunity to earn those increments of PTO when their hours were reduced.  If they got their act together and stopped working unapproved overtime, their work hours were restored the following month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a written policy that working unapproved overtime would result in disciplinary action, but the big boss was very young in experience and would not let the supervisors follow up on the disciplinary action, he&#8217;d just &#8220;talk to the employee about it.&#8221;  This didn&#8217;t work at all; people continued to work unapproved overtime, come in early or stay late without regard for company need, and as he continued his &#8220;conversation without consequence&#8221; practice, people just felt nagged bug weren&#8217;t inspired to change their behavior.  He wouldn&#8217;t change the policy to reflect what he was actually willing to do, just in case he changed his mind at some point.  </p>
<p>Finally the supervisors got together and reduced the scheduled work days of people who continued to work unapproved overtime.  In CA, you get paid OT for any work over 8 hours in a day, you can&#8217;t just round out the week.  By taking away a full scheduled workday for repeat offenders, they lost the financial incentive and also were hit with peer pressure by the team members who had to pick up the lost shifts.   And since paid time off was calculated by actual hours worked for hourly staff, they also lost the opportunity to earn those increments of PTO when their hours were reduced.  If they got their act together and stopped working unapproved overtime, their work hours were restored the following month.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I worked in retail management, the concept was similar in that I tracked our payroll hours each day and during mid-week to see where we were at and made cuts accordingly if people were over. It was a repetitive task in talking to the same people each week, but then they started getting written up for coming in early because they &quot;knew&quot; they&#039;d get to leave early then during the week or on Friday to cut hours. So, I didn&#039;t just discipline the supervisor, but the employees too who were repeat offenders of the &quot;clocking in early&quot; scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I worked in retail management, the concept was similar in that I tracked our payroll hours each day and during mid-week to see where we were at and made cuts accordingly if people were over. It was a repetitive task in talking to the same people each week, but then they started getting written up for coming in early because they &#8220;knew&#8221; they&#8217;d get to leave early then during the week or on Friday to cut hours. So, I didn&#8217;t just discipline the supervisor, but the employees too who were repeat offenders of the &#8220;clocking in early&#8221; scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the Director, I handle unapproved OT in this manner.  All time worked by an employee is paid, but I put ownership of the overtime on the supervisor.  They are not tracking the work done by the employees, so it rests with them.  I have formally disciplined or have had managers formally disipline the supervisor.  For repeat violations, I have formally disciplined managers.  I have terminated supervisors for failure to enforce the policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the Director, I handle unapproved OT in this manner.  All time worked by an employee is paid, but I put ownership of the overtime on the supervisor.  They are not tracking the work done by the employees, so it rests with them.  I have formally disciplined or have had managers formally disipline the supervisor.  For repeat violations, I have formally disciplined managers.  I have terminated supervisors for failure to enforce the policy.</p>
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