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	<title>Comments on: Congress eyes new bills that toughen 401(k) rules</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/congress-eyes-2-new-bills-that-toughen-401k-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-17435</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s what we are doing Randy - but if you say the President is going in the wrong direction, people accuse you of being political.  Regardless of how long it took to get here and who is to blame, we need to take the right steps now. Certainly the &quot;stimulus&quot; was not the right step, nor is health care reform, or cap and trade. All lead to larger deficits - you&#039;ll recall in the election, the Democrats told you how bad deficits were and how the Bushes squandered a surplus. Now we have mega deficits that the non-partisan CBO says will sink the country inside 10 years. So, I believe what we are saying is you are going in the wrong direction Mr President - fix the economy first, worry about the rest of this stuff later. Polls would suggest that support is waning and most people say we&#039;re going in the wrong direction. If that&#039;s political, so be it, but the consequences of going in the wrong direction are grave and we don&#039;t have the luxury of time at the moment. We need credit markets freed up, real stimulus to companies that employ people, and toxic assets taken out of banks. What we don&#039;t need is pandering to unions and trial lawyers and the demonizing of the health care industry. We don&#039;t need manufactured crisis that must be fixed by ramming through legislation no one has read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s what we are doing Randy &#8211; but if you say the President is going in the wrong direction, people accuse you of being political.  Regardless of how long it took to get here and who is to blame, we need to take the right steps now. Certainly the &#8220;stimulus&#8221; was not the right step, nor is health care reform, or cap and trade. All lead to larger deficits &#8211; you&#8217;ll recall in the election, the Democrats told you how bad deficits were and how the Bushes squandered a surplus. Now we have mega deficits that the non-partisan CBO says will sink the country inside 10 years. So, I believe what we are saying is you are going in the wrong direction Mr President &#8211; fix the economy first, worry about the rest of this stuff later. Polls would suggest that support is waning and most people say we&#8217;re going in the wrong direction. If that&#8217;s political, so be it, but the consequences of going in the wrong direction are grave and we don&#8217;t have the luxury of time at the moment. We need credit markets freed up, real stimulus to companies that employ people, and toxic assets taken out of banks. What we don&#8217;t need is pandering to unions and trial lawyers and the demonizing of the health care industry. We don&#8217;t need manufactured crisis that must be fixed by ramming through legislation no one has read.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on RandyG.  Quit blaming the current administration for something that took years to happen and was contributed by both parties.  Both houses of congress have had air heads there for years.  I agree that more of us should run for office and straighten it out but how many of us want the media looking at everything we or are family members have done over the last 30 years.  I would love to serve but it has become such a media circus to run for office that I am not interested in doing that to my loved ones.  Truly good people can&#039;t get elected without selling out to special interest groups.  Then they are no longer good people.  Vicious circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on RandyG.  Quit blaming the current administration for something that took years to happen and was contributed by both parties.  Both houses of congress have had air heads there for years.  I agree that more of us should run for office and straighten it out but how many of us want the media looking at everything we or are family members have done over the last 30 years.  I would love to serve but it has become such a media circus to run for office that I am not interested in doing that to my loved ones.  Truly good people can&#8217;t get elected without selling out to special interest groups.  Then they are no longer good people.  Vicious circle.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/congress-eyes-2-new-bills-that-toughen-401k-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-17251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prag,

So you want the goverment to manage teh risk you take on your investments. . . that&#039;s called a &quot;T&quot; Bill.  Oh by the way, the countries you mention pay for their &quot;socialized&quot; health care by taxing the public.  France has 60% plus taxes.  Yes they get universal health care BUT you wait for months to get a surgery unless it&#039;s an emergency.  In addition, all those countries have health systems that have not worked and they have been moving more toward our health care system design for years offering private insurance plans that supplement the government plan.

Individuals can ABSOLUTELY invest on their own and succeed.  &quot;Good things come to those that help themselves!&quot;  educate yourself, get help from your company&#039;s 401k plan advisors, go to your investment company&#039;s website (Fidelity) and learn.  My 401k plan has grown from nothing in 1980 to multi hundreds of thousands of dollars and NO OTHER savings prgram could have done that.  YES the last year has been hell financially and it is due to the unscrupulous people in the mortgage industry and in some major financial companies who were basically GREEDY beyond belief and their greed helped destroy our economy.  Oh by the way, the government was supposed to be monitoring the mortgage and financial industries, that worked well didn&#039;t it.  Some of the bank auditors were corrupt.  You can&#039;t legislate against that.

DO you know that the stock market has gained close to 25% since January?  If you continued to put money into your 401k and left what you had before the crisis right where it was, you would have seen quite a nice recovery in just 6 months.  Capitalism works if teh government leaves it alone and puts programs into place that put money into the hands of small business and individuals so they spend it and the jobs are created to produce the goods and services these people are buying.

Let goverment put regulations in place that regualte at a macro level to protect us as much as possible and then let capitalism do its thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prag,</p>
<p>So you want the goverment to manage teh risk you take on your investments. . . that&#8217;s called a &#8220;T&#8221; Bill.  Oh by the way, the countries you mention pay for their &#8220;socialized&#8221; health care by taxing the public.  France has 60% plus taxes.  Yes they get universal health care BUT you wait for months to get a surgery unless it&#8217;s an emergency.  In addition, all those countries have health systems that have not worked and they have been moving more toward our health care system design for years offering private insurance plans that supplement the government plan.</p>
<p>Individuals can ABSOLUTELY invest on their own and succeed.  &#8220;Good things come to those that help themselves!&#8221;  educate yourself, get help from your company&#8217;s 401k plan advisors, go to your investment company&#8217;s website (Fidelity) and learn.  My 401k plan has grown from nothing in 1980 to multi hundreds of thousands of dollars and NO OTHER savings prgram could have done that.  YES the last year has been hell financially and it is due to the unscrupulous people in the mortgage industry and in some major financial companies who were basically GREEDY beyond belief and their greed helped destroy our economy.  Oh by the way, the government was supposed to be monitoring the mortgage and financial industries, that worked well didn&#8217;t it.  Some of the bank auditors were corrupt.  You can&#8217;t legislate against that.</p>
<p>DO you know that the stock market has gained close to 25% since January?  If you continued to put money into your 401k and left what you had before the crisis right where it was, you would have seen quite a nice recovery in just 6 months.  Capitalism works if teh government leaves it alone and puts programs into place that put money into the hands of small business and individuals so they spend it and the jobs are created to produce the goods and services these people are buying.</p>
<p>Let goverment put regulations in place that regualte at a macro level to protect us as much as possible and then let capitalism do its thing.</p>
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		<title>By: RandiG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RandiG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting how many HR people blame &quot;our current government&quot; for all our ills -- our sitting President has been in office all of 6 months, and I guarantee you the economic meltdown is not a result of his policies -- it has been coming for a long time.  Our government in general has made lots of mistakes, liberal or conservative, because we are actually governed by special interests, not political parties.  Instead of trying to blame Obama or Bush or Greenspan (although he deserves some of the blame), we should be trying to figure out how to survive and hopefully make things better, for our companies, our employees and ourselves.  We need to stop wasting energy blaming this politician or that president, and instead focus our energies into finding solutions that work for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting how many HR people blame &#8220;our current government&#8221; for all our ills &#8212; our sitting President has been in office all of 6 months, and I guarantee you the economic meltdown is not a result of his policies &#8212; it has been coming for a long time.  Our government in general has made lots of mistakes, liberal or conservative, because we are actually governed by special interests, not political parties.  Instead of trying to blame Obama or Bush or Greenspan (although he deserves some of the blame), we should be trying to figure out how to survive and hopefully make things better, for our companies, our employees and ourselves.  We need to stop wasting energy blaming this politician or that president, and instead focus our energies into finding solutions that work for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Pragmatic One</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pragmatic One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Societies choose to succeed or fail.  Government, according to some, should do for individuals what they cannot do alone [pooling together of resources for the greater good of the society the individuals live in].  What makes anyone think the average person in the US is qualified to invest their own money to insure a stable retirement?  In recent decades, and only in the US, the individual has assumed all the risk of failure with no upside/return for taking that risk.  Of the industrialized countries, we are the only ones that have no basic, minimal health care provided to all and very little to none of the remaining safety nets related to severance for long term service [unlike Canada, Brazil, and Europe]. As someone who has always maxed out the 401k option, started a ROTH, worked for the past 35 years, and utilized a name brand 401k provider [i.e. Fidelity, Vanguard], I&#039;d like to understand why has principal eroded over the long term.  Where is the analysis that rolls back multi million/billion dollar pay packages that went to CEO&#039;s instead of to the shareholders as the earnings should have been in the form of dividends?  Now there would be a telling analysis, like the year Home Depot had negative earnings but would have been positive if not for the CEO bonus.  Pay for performance, not.  Risk should be compensated by a higher return.  Returns today hardly compensate for the risk, hence the lower demand for equities.  Get the returns to match the risk, and demand will come back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Societies choose to succeed or fail.  Government, according to some, should do for individuals what they cannot do alone [pooling together of resources for the greater good of the society the individuals live in].  What makes anyone think the average person in the US is qualified to invest their own money to insure a stable retirement?  In recent decades, and only in the US, the individual has assumed all the risk of failure with no upside/return for taking that risk.  Of the industrialized countries, we are the only ones that have no basic, minimal health care provided to all and very little to none of the remaining safety nets related to severance for long term service [unlike Canada, Brazil, and Europe]. As someone who has always maxed out the 401k option, started a ROTH, worked for the past 35 years, and utilized a name brand 401k provider [i.e. Fidelity, Vanguard], I&#8217;d like to understand why has principal eroded over the long term.  Where is the analysis that rolls back multi million/billion dollar pay packages that went to CEO&#8217;s instead of to the shareholders as the earnings should have been in the form of dividends?  Now there would be a telling analysis, like the year Home Depot had negative earnings but would have been positive if not for the CEO bonus.  Pay for performance, not.  Risk should be compensated by a higher return.  Returns today hardly compensate for the risk, hence the lower demand for equities.  Get the returns to match the risk, and demand will come back.</p>
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		<title>By: Anjelina M. Buentello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anjelina M. Buentello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 401K was passed in congress to give Kodak the right to offer an alternative plan to paying out traditional pension plans. Afterwards many companies followed suit, because they could save money. To learn more watch the video &quot;Can you afford to Retire?&quot; by PBS. I believe it is in the state of Nebraska that pensions have done well. Having traditional pension plans contributes to employee loyalty, low turnover rates, higher referral rates and happier employees. By not doing so informs employees of how much you truly value them.  Bottom line, if a bank does not lend you money to play stock market, then why should companies contribute and encourage this form of gambling!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 401K was passed in congress to give Kodak the right to offer an alternative plan to paying out traditional pension plans. Afterwards many companies followed suit, because they could save money. To learn more watch the video &#8220;Can you afford to Retire?&#8221; by PBS. I believe it is in the state of Nebraska that pensions have done well. Having traditional pension plans contributes to employee loyalty, low turnover rates, higher referral rates and happier employees. By not doing so informs employees of how much you truly value them.  Bottom line, if a bank does not lend you money to play stock market, then why should companies contribute and encourage this form of gambling!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the Social Security ponzi scheme remind you of Bernie Madoff?  Should we send all of our government reps to jail for 150 years?  Same deal, only the government can print money to make up its losses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the Social Security ponzi scheme remind you of Bernie Madoff?  Should we send all of our government reps to jail for 150 years?  Same deal, only the government can print money to make up its losses!</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/congress-eyes-2-new-bills-that-toughen-401k-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-17177</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In general, even though IRAs, Roth IRAs, etc are available as &quot;unhooked&quot; from employer plans, they take a backseat to 401Ks, etc.  I think what BLC was suggesting (forgive me if I&#039;m wrong) is that more employers should treat these other investment mechanisms similarly to 401Ks by providing a match etc to them too.  The problem is that most employees are &quot;hooked&quot; to the 401K due to an employer match but are left out in the cold to fend for themselves if they go with an &quot;unhooked&quot; retirement planning option.  There are a lot of companies that match any deferred amounts, but I think most only match amounts deferred into their employer-sponsored plans.

The risk is shifted in IRAs &amp; 401Ks to employees from employers, but that could (at least for most people) be compensated in additional education to employees.  More straight-forward information on the (short-term and long-term) risks/returns of &quot;investments&quot; and more easy-to-understand information on fees, etc. and tax consequences would be beneficial to the average employee.  

Part of the problem with today&#039;s employees is the complete lack of planning for the future.  Instead of putting money aside for 30-years down the road, people will spend $350 on an iPhone with $150/month plan.  They want to have all the gee-whiz gadgets, HDTVs, satellite/cable TV, clothes, cars, and party lifestyle today without planning and putting something away for the future.  Later in life when they are destitute who do you think will be asking the &quot;governement&quot; to help them and who do you think the goverment will come to (tax) to &quot;help&quot; these people out (those who led prudent lives, planned, and put money away for the future).

I have been working for 25 years and paying SS/Medicare taxes.  I will work for at least another 15 years and pay even more SS/Medicare taxes.  However, when I&#039;m retirment age in 2037 SS will be underfunded such that only about 2/3 of promised benefits could be paid (if the money was actually in the SS &quot;trust&quot; accounts... which it isn&#039;t... politicians have already spent that money on &quot;current&quot; projects/programs and put &quot;IOUs&quot; into the &quot;trust&quot; accounts).  In all reality, my generation will not have any money left for SS/Medicare benefits and future generations will be taxed even more for even less benefits.

I trust my own knowledge and private investment opportunities much more than the government.  I deferred my gratification by going to school and obtaining an undergraduate and a graduate degree so that I can have greater life-long earning potential.  I have worked hard to get where I&#039;m at in life. I fear for the future that the few of us that have taken the time to read and learn about investing (instead of worrying about the latest pop star, sports hero, party club, or whatever other use of their time is apparently  more important than taking a little time to learn about and plan for their future).  In the not-so-distant future, those of us who have any financial means are going to be hit heavily to support popular programs for the uneducated or unmotivated masses who choose to take the easy/fun route now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In general, even though IRAs, Roth IRAs, etc are available as &#8220;unhooked&#8221; from employer plans, they take a backseat to 401Ks, etc.  I think what BLC was suggesting (forgive me if I&#8217;m wrong) is that more employers should treat these other investment mechanisms similarly to 401Ks by providing a match etc to them too.  The problem is that most employees are &#8220;hooked&#8221; to the 401K due to an employer match but are left out in the cold to fend for themselves if they go with an &#8220;unhooked&#8221; retirement planning option.  There are a lot of companies that match any deferred amounts, but I think most only match amounts deferred into their employer-sponsored plans.</p>
<p>The risk is shifted in IRAs &amp; 401Ks to employees from employers, but that could (at least for most people) be compensated in additional education to employees.  More straight-forward information on the (short-term and long-term) risks/returns of &#8220;investments&#8221; and more easy-to-understand information on fees, etc. and tax consequences would be beneficial to the average employee.  </p>
<p>Part of the problem with today&#8217;s employees is the complete lack of planning for the future.  Instead of putting money aside for 30-years down the road, people will spend $350 on an iPhone with $150/month plan.  They want to have all the gee-whiz gadgets, HDTVs, satellite/cable TV, clothes, cars, and party lifestyle today without planning and putting something away for the future.  Later in life when they are destitute who do you think will be asking the &#8220;governement&#8221; to help them and who do you think the goverment will come to (tax) to &#8220;help&#8221; these people out (those who led prudent lives, planned, and put money away for the future).</p>
<p>I have been working for 25 years and paying SS/Medicare taxes.  I will work for at least another 15 years and pay even more SS/Medicare taxes.  However, when I&#8217;m retirment age in 2037 SS will be underfunded such that only about 2/3 of promised benefits could be paid (if the money was actually in the SS &#8220;trust&#8221; accounts&#8230; which it isn&#8217;t&#8230; politicians have already spent that money on &#8220;current&#8221; projects/programs and put &#8220;IOUs&#8221; into the &#8220;trust&#8221; accounts).  In all reality, my generation will not have any money left for SS/Medicare benefits and future generations will be taxed even more for even less benefits.</p>
<p>I trust my own knowledge and private investment opportunities much more than the government.  I deferred my gratification by going to school and obtaining an undergraduate and a graduate degree so that I can have greater life-long earning potential.  I have worked hard to get where I&#8217;m at in life. I fear for the future that the few of us that have taken the time to read and learn about investing (instead of worrying about the latest pop star, sports hero, party club, or whatever other use of their time is apparently  more important than taking a little time to learn about and plan for their future).  In the not-so-distant future, those of us who have any financial means are going to be hit heavily to support popular programs for the uneducated or unmotivated masses who choose to take the easy/fun route now.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% amen to Jim</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion. Obviously the Congress could better spend their time fixing the economy which they themselves had a hand in breaking. I believe most people voted in the last election with the idea that those they elected would right those things that caused the meltdown and put people back to work. Instead, they are playing around with &quot;reform&quot;, cap and trade, a stimulus bill that has stimulated nothing, all at the expense of the taxpayer. All the while they believe a larger government that controls even more of your life than they did before is good for you. 2010 isn&#039;t that far off...

While transparency in 401k fees is a great idea, I&#039;d like to first see transparency in my government - we&#039;ve seem to have lost that as bills are rammed through Congress without the light of day or ordinary citizens having had the opportunity to know what is being passed before it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. Obviously the Congress could better spend their time fixing the economy which they themselves had a hand in breaking. I believe most people voted in the last election with the idea that those they elected would right those things that caused the meltdown and put people back to work. Instead, they are playing around with &#8220;reform&#8221;, cap and trade, a stimulus bill that has stimulated nothing, all at the expense of the taxpayer. All the while they believe a larger government that controls even more of your life than they did before is good for you. 2010 isn&#8217;t that far off&#8230;</p>
<p>While transparency in 401k fees is a great idea, I&#8217;d like to first see transparency in my government &#8211; we&#8217;ve seem to have lost that as bills are rammed through Congress without the light of day or ordinary citizens having had the opportunity to know what is being passed before it is.</p>
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