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Fired staffer: ‘HR director told me to sue’

It’s common for sympathetic co-workers to tell colleagues who’ve been fired that they should see an attorney about filing a lawsuit. But this is the first time we’ve come across an instance where the suggestion — allegedly — was made by the firm’s HR director.

The case centers on Laura Makowski, who served as marketing director for the Chicago-based law firm SmithAmundsen. A couple years into her tenure, she notified her employer she was pregnant and would be needing FMLA leave.

When her blood pressure increased to dangerous levels, Makowski’s doctor put her on bed rest for the last month of her pregnancy. She worked from home for the month, and went on FMLA leave after she delivered.

‘Not a good fit’

About a month later, the firm Executive Committee met for its annual discussion of the overall operation of the firm. At that meeting, it was decided that Makowski should be let go because, as one exec said in an email to the HR director, she “doesn’t fit into our culture.”

The HR director, Molly O’Gara, was also instructed to consult with an outside attorney about Makowski’s termination.

A couple of days later, two of the firm’s execs fired Makowski over the telephone, saying her position was being eliminated as part of an organizational restructuring. That same day, O’Gara fired the firm’s IT director.

Did this conversation happen?

OK, here’s where it gets interesting. Makowski testified that when she came into the office to pick up her personal items, O’Gara took her aside.

O’Gara said that “she was let go because of the fact that (Makowski) was pregnant and … took medical leave,” Makowski said.

Makowski also alleged that O’Gara “believed that there (was) a group of people who were discriminated against because they were pregnant or took medical leave.”

O’Gara specifically mentioned a former employee and suggested that “it might be a good idea” to consult a lawyer about the “possibility of a class action,” Makowski said.

On the strength of O’Gara’s remarks, Makowski filed suit, alleging pregnancy bias and FMLA interference.

Appeals court sends case to trial

In court, O’Gara denied having made the comments Makowski attributed to her.

The law firm claimed that since O’Gara’s job responsibilities weren’t related to Makowski’s firing, and she wasn’t involved in the termination decision, her remarks were hearsay and inadmissable.

A federal district court agreed. But the appeals court did not.

O’Gara’s statements “fit squarely within the scope of her employment” as HR director — which included taking part in the decisionmaking process of eliminating positions and ensuring compliance with anti-bias laws.

Plus, O’Gara was ordered to run Makowski’s termination by an outside attorney, the judge said.

The court denied the law firm’s motion to dismiss the case, and remanded the case for trial — and that means long, expensive legal wrangling or an expensive settlement.

The case is Makowski v. SmithAmundsen LLC. To read the appeals court’s ruling go here.

A question of ethics

This is a baffling case, and one that brings up some uncomfortable emotions for HR people.

It’s a good example of the dual roles Human Resources pros have to play — supporting company initiatives and directives while trying to act in each employee’s best interest.

Did O’Gara — if she actually said what she’s accused of saying — take Makowski aside as a matter of conscience? If there was a pattern of discrimination against pregnant women at the firm, was she wrong to tell Makowski what she allegedly told her?

Here’s the real question: Can you ever see yourself doing what O’Gara allegedly did?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Bill Johnson

    This is not as strange a moral issue as it would appear. HR Representative are faced with these type of situations on an on-going basis. The real issue is why the HR Director didn’t have the moral courage and values to step up to the plate and warn company executives that what they were proposing was illegal and or discriminatory. I think HR staff fear for their own asses more than for the employees they are bound to protect.

  • Alison

    It sounds to me like the HR Director was trying to do the right thing and still keep her job. I think if the executives told her to consult an outside attorney about the termination, they already knew they were on shaky ground.

  • MMAN

    @ Bill,
    Maybe the HR Director did warn the company, maybe not in this one instance but in the past. This could definitely be the case if, what the article says is true that she also proposed a “class action” suit which means it probably did happen a number of times in the past. I just think this HR Director, as a woman herself, was fed up with this organizations’ treating of women. I like your comment “I think HR staff fear for their own a@#*% more than for the employees they are bound to protect. There is a reason why the function is called “Human Resources” and not “Company or Management Resources.” It’s about people hence the word “HUMAN.”

  • Shannon

    Well said, MMAN. Not only is HR one of the most regulated areas of any company, most of the time, they are one of the most undervalued. Walking this knife-blade is tricky at best. If you have taken concerns to the appropriate level/authority within the company and they dismiss it, what other options do you have but to be ethical in your actions and words.

  • Chelly

    I think the HR Director had the right idea in mind when she told the employee about her rights. That is what HR is suppose to do. I don’t fault her for denying it in court either – she didn’t want to get fired too! As long as she gave the employee the information she needed, she did what she had to do. Kudos!

  • Bill Johnson

    Man, what kind of state is HR in today! I would not want to work for an organization that is corrupt and messes over their staff. I had a job before I was their HR Director, so I can probably find another HR position. By the way, all HR Staff at Enron landed solidly on their feet after Enron’s demise. The HR Director will be fired when the truth is known that she advised the employee to seek counsel. My point is to advise Management that their actions are potentially illegal and separate yourself from this issue. Let someone else be the gopher!

  • Lauren

    I’m not sure if I can support the HR Director because if she did tell the employee to sue, she then committed perjury in court. I’m all for fairness and ethics in the workplace and probably would have told the employee to look into legal recourse, but I would not have perjured myself so I “didn’t get in trouble.” You can’t pick and choose when to be ethical and when not to.

  • http://www.experthrconsulting.com Rick Rossignol

    Human Resources is responsible for giving the company the right employment law advice. They do not represent the employees. They need to do what is right, which in the end protects the company from the cost of violating employment law.

  • Marie

    When hired as our HR Manager, I was told that my job was #1) to help protect the company and then #2) help protect the employees – in that order. I’m okay with that, because if I protect the company, then really, the employees (as a whole) are protected. It is my job to be a gut-check – to question the motives, reasons, and trends for decisions that might be construed as questionable and/or illegal – once I verbalize those concerns behind closed doors, it is up to the executive team to weigh the risks concerning their decisions and then live with whatever decision they make. I adore the HUMANS in our company – I helped hand-pick over 1/2 of them – but it isn’t protecting these HUMANS to encourage someone to sue the company. A lawsuit drains resources, hurts morale, and damages reputations.

    Now, if it a company is ethically and/or legally wrong – and if the HR Manager is ignored and underminded by possibly illegal behavior – LEAVE – then feel completely fine with telling other “victims” to sue the company. HR Managers can continually work to protect employees by arming them with information about their rights, administering training, and provide proper notifications. In this situation, prior to leaving for FMLA, the employee should have KNOWN that she had a RIGHT to return to her job or a similar job following Leave – so if that employee is terminated – bells and whistles about laws should have gone off in her head without an HR manager pointing them to the nearest attorney. Telling someone to sue their company isn’t what an HR Manager is to do. If you’ve done your job along the way, they should already know when an action is questionable.

    If there is any proof that the HR manager told her to sue, I’d fire the HR manager in a heartbeat. She didn’t do her job.

  • MMAN

    @Marie- so essentially as HR professionals what you are saying is that we should just let be what is and tuck tail and run even if the company is doing something illegal and/or unethical? Have you ever heard of “whistleblowing?” As workers in our society, this option has been made available to employees, HR Professionals included. If the company is always first as you say, then like I said before, it should be called “Company Resources” rather than “Human Resources.” On the other hand, maybe the HR Director should not have told her to sue but certainly should have discussed this along with her other options.

  • Race Bannon

    I’ve been in a situation where an employee has threatening to sue and I’ve answered that it is well within their rights to do so. Was this advising them to sue? No, but that’s what they may recollect later.

    This story is too vague in the details to make judgment on the HR Director.

  • http://www.co.walton.fl.us Keeby

    I somewhat agree with Marie. As an HR professional I find myself working or becoming more of an advocate to the employees than the company. It just ends up that way. The company is a constant but the employees are ever changing. So most of my attention is at the employee. I would not have told the employee to sue. I would not have even gone their unless they asked and then my answer would have been more like Race Bannon’s. The employees are my biggest hurdle in HR so naturally more of my time is spent on their “gut-readings”. The job of H.R. is to protect the company first by protecting the employees while staying seemingly neautral. I would be seeking other employment out of fear of ligigation if I felt it were doing something against FLSA or NLRB. If the HR Directors actions are proven she was wrong and should be counselled or given the option to resign.