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		<title>By: JAGGER</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAGGER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you looked into HSA plans?  Our exectutives all chose an HSA.  We are with United Health Care (Arizona) and they offer a choice of HSA or the regular 80/20 plans with deductibles.  Our HSA plan is less than $250 a month, which is company paid, and the Company adds another $50 to their account each month.  Most of them started out with a $2500 deposit (from IRA&#039;s) into their account which is the amount they pay for any medical issues in the year.  Everything else is covered 100%.  Any of their savings acct they do not use is their&#039;s forever, so it keeps them on top of what services they REALLY need, and they question the price of the things they do need.   The Company used to pay (and still does for the employees who choose the traditional plan) over $300 for insurance that they had to pay $4000 before the co-pays disappeared.  Sure they only had to pay 20% at the point of use, but that can be pretty steep if they broke and leg or something.  With the HSA, $2500 is the most they ever have to pay in a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you looked into HSA plans?  Our exectutives all chose an HSA.  We are with United Health Care (Arizona) and they offer a choice of HSA or the regular 80/20 plans with deductibles.  Our HSA plan is less than $250 a month, which is company paid, and the Company adds another $50 to their account each month.  Most of them started out with a $2500 deposit (from IRA&#8217;s) into their account which is the amount they pay for any medical issues in the year.  Everything else is covered 100%.  Any of their savings acct they do not use is their&#8217;s forever, so it keeps them on top of what services they REALLY need, and they question the price of the things they do need.   The Company used to pay (and still does for the employees who choose the traditional plan) over $300 for insurance that they had to pay $4000 before the co-pays disappeared.  Sure they only had to pay 20% at the point of use, but that can be pretty steep if they broke and leg or something.  With the HSA, $2500 is the most they ever have to pay in a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Kline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam, I&#039;m not sure what state you are in or how many employees your company must ensure, but we have utilized a local broker to help us.  We have worked with Highmark Blue Shield.  They have no medical underwriting so the rates are higher, but it was excellent coverage.  We now went with Capital Blue Cross (we&#039;re in Pennsylvania).  They have limited medical underwriting (basically looking at prescription usage).  We were able to offer a PPO and an HMO plan with the HMO obviously being cheaper.  The plans are comparable, but there is no out of network coverage in the HMO and it is more managed care than the higher priced PPO.  The deductible on both plans is $500 for an individual/$1000 for family.  This includes a 3 tier prescription plan for both and includes a mail order program for maintenance drugs people may be taking.  

We checked into another plan (HealthAmerica) that does medical underwriting with just the people currently enrolled.  However, due to medical issues within the group, the premiums were too high so we stayed with Capital Blue Cross.  This is our second year with them and it has been a great plan too.  I selected the PPO plan and have no complaints with the coverage.  We had no complaints with Highmark Blue Shield other than the premiums were just getting so high it hurts the participation levels.  We do contribute 50% of the employee&#039;s premium.  We currently have 65 employees and have 23 people eligible for the insurance right now (our open enrollment period).  We have 14 enrolled, 4 who waived &amp; are covered under a spouse&#039;s plan or a state plan and two who have to decide if they are enrolling or not.  

The broker we are using is local, works with smaller companies, and they do the work of looking at the options and pricing and then present a single summary sheet to us with the best options for our company.  They meet with us and review what we want to offer, our concerns, any other issues that may affect our decision, etc.  This is much better than some other brokers I have had to deal with that bring in their 3 ring binders with 20 different plans or more and I would have to wade through everything!  

Hope this is helpful to you.  We have been in your situation and it is difficult as well as frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam, I&#8217;m not sure what state you are in or how many employees your company must ensure, but we have utilized a local broker to help us.  We have worked with Highmark Blue Shield.  They have no medical underwriting so the rates are higher, but it was excellent coverage.  We now went with Capital Blue Cross (we&#8217;re in Pennsylvania).  They have limited medical underwriting (basically looking at prescription usage).  We were able to offer a PPO and an HMO plan with the HMO obviously being cheaper.  The plans are comparable, but there is no out of network coverage in the HMO and it is more managed care than the higher priced PPO.  The deductible on both plans is $500 for an individual/$1000 for family.  This includes a 3 tier prescription plan for both and includes a mail order program for maintenance drugs people may be taking.  </p>
<p>We checked into another plan (HealthAmerica) that does medical underwriting with just the people currently enrolled.  However, due to medical issues within the group, the premiums were too high so we stayed with Capital Blue Cross.  This is our second year with them and it has been a great plan too.  I selected the PPO plan and have no complaints with the coverage.  We had no complaints with Highmark Blue Shield other than the premiums were just getting so high it hurts the participation levels.  We do contribute 50% of the employee&#8217;s premium.  We currently have 65 employees and have 23 people eligible for the insurance right now (our open enrollment period).  We have 14 enrolled, 4 who waived &amp; are covered under a spouse&#8217;s plan or a state plan and two who have to decide if they are enrolling or not.  </p>
<p>The broker we are using is local, works with smaller companies, and they do the work of looking at the options and pricing and then present a single summary sheet to us with the best options for our company.  They meet with us and review what we want to offer, our concerns, any other issues that may affect our decision, etc.  This is much better than some other brokers I have had to deal with that bring in their 3 ring binders with 20 different plans or more and I would have to wade through everything!  </p>
<p>Hope this is helpful to you.  We have been in your situation and it is difficult as well as frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Scott - You stated  

&quot;For Mike, spending $1,300 for health insurance per month, you probably have a Cadillac of a plan. You should ask your employer about changing the deductible, co-pay, prescription plan coverages to get the monthly premium amount down. Don’t act like you are a helpless victim, talk to your human resources or benefits department to see what they are doing at annual negotitations.&quot; 

Our rates are extremely high for a small business. For instance, over the past couple of years, our PPO Plan for Family has risen to over $1600. Although the company pays a portion, it is still hard on everyone enrolled. We have negotiated until we are blue in the face but to no avail. In addition to the economy, we have a lot of insurance claims. These folks don&#039;t want to have medical situations. We can&#039;t, as a company, pick and choose who we insure. 

It isn&#039;t fair to our employees but that&#039;s life. We are a small company with a few high-risk employees. So ALL of our employees&#039; premiums go up. There might be a similar sized company across town whose employees don&#039;t file as many high-cost claims. Therefore, ALL of their employees benefit from lower premiums. 

Scott, if you can figure a way for us to lower our health insurance premiums, it would be welcome. We have raised our deductibles, co-pays and prescription costs. At this point we are unable to change insurance companies because no one wants us. A few people might be able to get lower cost insurances through private companies, but in most cases, people&#039;s hands ARE tied. Especially if there is a health condition involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Scott &#8211; You stated  </p>
<p>&#8220;For Mike, spending $1,300 for health insurance per month, you probably have a Cadillac of a plan. You should ask your employer about changing the deductible, co-pay, prescription plan coverages to get the monthly premium amount down. Don’t act like you are a helpless victim, talk to your human resources or benefits department to see what they are doing at annual negotitations.&#8221; </p>
<p>Our rates are extremely high for a small business. For instance, over the past couple of years, our PPO Plan for Family has risen to over $1600. Although the company pays a portion, it is still hard on everyone enrolled. We have negotiated until we are blue in the face but to no avail. In addition to the economy, we have a lot of insurance claims. These folks don&#8217;t want to have medical situations. We can&#8217;t, as a company, pick and choose who we insure. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t fair to our employees but that&#8217;s life. We are a small company with a few high-risk employees. So ALL of our employees&#8217; premiums go up. There might be a similar sized company across town whose employees don&#8217;t file as many high-cost claims. Therefore, ALL of their employees benefit from lower premiums. </p>
<p>Scott, if you can figure a way for us to lower our health insurance premiums, it would be welcome. We have raised our deductibles, co-pays and prescription costs. At this point we are unable to change insurance companies because no one wants us. A few people might be able to get lower cost insurances through private companies, but in most cases, people&#8217;s hands ARE tied. Especially if there is a health condition involved.</p>
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		<title>By: JAGGER</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAGGER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jenny.  I was feeling like a lone wolf.   Perhaps you would like to join me, and the Mom&#039;s of the world.  Go to: http://www.asamom.org.  Check it out and join us if it is something you like.  You don&#039;t HAVE to be a Mom...........just feel like one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jenny.  I was feeling like a lone wolf.   Perhaps you would like to join me, and the Mom&#8217;s of the world.  Go to: <a href="http://www.asamom.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.asamom.org</a>.  Check it out and join us if it is something you like.  You don&#8217;t HAVE to be a Mom&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..just feel like one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with JAGGER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with JAGGER!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health care and health Insurance are not Rights.  Read the constitution and the Bill of Rights, you won&#039;t see them mentioned.
If the private sector wants to make money by providing a service that people need, ( medical insurance ) that&#039;s fine, best of luck to them.  If we don&#039;t like it, it&#039;s not mandatory. (except in Massachusetts)
Health Insurance should be like auto insurance.  If people were not already paying for auto insurance, they would say they could not afford that either.  What peple are trying to say is they can&#039;t afford the health insurance and a plasma TV, cell phone, cable TV, internet, ipods and vacations.  How about priority, if it&#039;s so darn important to have health insurance, it should be at the top of your financial list, up there with lets say food &amp; rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health care and health Insurance are not Rights.  Read the constitution and the Bill of Rights, you won&#8217;t see them mentioned.<br />
If the private sector wants to make money by providing a service that people need, ( medical insurance ) that&#8217;s fine, best of luck to them.  If we don&#8217;t like it, it&#8217;s not mandatory. (except in Massachusetts)<br />
Health Insurance should be like auto insurance.  If people were not already paying for auto insurance, they would say they could not afford that either.  What peple are trying to say is they can&#8217;t afford the health insurance and a plasma TV, cell phone, cable TV, internet, ipods and vacations.  How about priority, if it&#8217;s so darn important to have health insurance, it should be at the top of your financial list, up there with lets say food &amp; rent.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The governement doesn&#039;t need to provide us with health insurance.  If you work and you want it, you should buy it if you want it.  We don&#039;t need Socialism and the continued entitlement mentality in this country, we were a proud people who used to thank &quot;God&quot; for what we had and worked hard to get it.

For Mike, spending $1,300 for health insurance per month, you probably have a Cadillac of a plan.  You should ask your employer about changing the deductible, co-pay, prescription plan coverages to get the monthly premium amount down.  Don&#039;t act like you are a helpless victim, talk to your human resources or benefits department to see what they are doing at annual negotitations.

I believe charitable care should be eliminated from hospitals, as it is driving up the insureds rates.  If people need care and they can&#039;t afford it, they should be required to sign a work agreement with the health care provider to pay it back or agree to cancel their cell phone, internet service, take back a vehicle, not buy the newest Nikes or skip a take out meal or two and work to pay it back.  Way back in the day when we were a capitalist society, people would trade and barter for things, might not be a bad way to go back to, as things were cheaper then and people seemed to get the care they needed.  

The other thought would be, that if people need care, we already have a fully funded government health care system through the Veteran&#039;s Administration.  If able bodied people don&#039;t have insurance and need care, they could go there and agree to sign a Military service or National Guard contract to help pay off the health care services they received and fulfill those obligations to satisfy their debt.  After all, we are only talking that less than 10% of the population is uninsured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The governement doesn&#8217;t need to provide us with health insurance.  If you work and you want it, you should buy it if you want it.  We don&#8217;t need Socialism and the continued entitlement mentality in this country, we were a proud people who used to thank &#8220;God&#8221; for what we had and worked hard to get it.</p>
<p>For Mike, spending $1,300 for health insurance per month, you probably have a Cadillac of a plan.  You should ask your employer about changing the deductible, co-pay, prescription plan coverages to get the monthly premium amount down.  Don&#8217;t act like you are a helpless victim, talk to your human resources or benefits department to see what they are doing at annual negotitations.</p>
<p>I believe charitable care should be eliminated from hospitals, as it is driving up the insureds rates.  If people need care and they can&#8217;t afford it, they should be required to sign a work agreement with the health care provider to pay it back or agree to cancel their cell phone, internet service, take back a vehicle, not buy the newest Nikes or skip a take out meal or two and work to pay it back.  Way back in the day when we were a capitalist society, people would trade and barter for things, might not be a bad way to go back to, as things were cheaper then and people seemed to get the care they needed.  </p>
<p>The other thought would be, that if people need care, we already have a fully funded government health care system through the Veteran&#8217;s Administration.  If able bodied people don&#8217;t have insurance and need care, they could go there and agree to sign a Military service or National Guard contract to help pay off the health care services they received and fulfill those obligations to satisfy their debt.  After all, we are only talking that less than 10% of the population is uninsured.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSIMS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DCSIMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JLee,
Careful with your generalizations.  If you want to see poor farmers, I suggest you drive anywhere into rural America.  I&#039;m speaking from firsthand- farmer&#039;s-daugher experience on the IL/IA border.

True there are many wealthy farmers who are mass-producing our food (and as a byproduct degrading the foods&#039; nutrients, but that&#039;s another blog).  But many, many, many farmers are SOL just like every other middle class American.  

Just wanted to keep it real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JLee,<br />
Careful with your generalizations.  If you want to see poor farmers, I suggest you drive anywhere into rural America.  I&#8217;m speaking from firsthand- farmer&#8217;s-daugher experience on the IL/IA border.</p>
<p>True there are many wealthy farmers who are mass-producing our food (and as a byproduct degrading the foods&#8217; nutrients, but that&#8217;s another blog).  But many, many, many farmers are SOL just like every other middle class American.  </p>
<p>Just wanted to keep it real.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Kline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If # 1 above goes into effect, what does that do to the employees regarding their taxes?  Does that then become taxable income?  What about those who negotiated at the time of hire with the company &amp; the company agreed to pay the entire medical premium (employee only), will they now have to pay taxes on that benefit?  

My feeling is that this &quot;overhaul&quot; of our medical/health insurance system should be done in stages instead of a wholesale change all at once just to get it done.  Doing it properly is the most important thing.  Take one area, work on that and then when that is completed, move on to the next section.  This will allow for a more thorough and more insightful process to this issue.  The less government involvement (regardless of the political party in power) in general is better.  When our country was founded it was said, &quot;The government that governs least, governs best.&quot;  That axiom still applies today, but is being followed less and less over the past several decades by both political parties.  When government wants to take over something, it tends to make things more difficult and often more expensive, regardless of what is promised.  I would rather that they do this right, not just fast, to get it done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If # 1 above goes into effect, what does that do to the employees regarding their taxes?  Does that then become taxable income?  What about those who negotiated at the time of hire with the company &amp; the company agreed to pay the entire medical premium (employee only), will they now have to pay taxes on that benefit?  </p>
<p>My feeling is that this &#8220;overhaul&#8221; of our medical/health insurance system should be done in stages instead of a wholesale change all at once just to get it done.  Doing it properly is the most important thing.  Take one area, work on that and then when that is completed, move on to the next section.  This will allow for a more thorough and more insightful process to this issue.  The less government involvement (regardless of the political party in power) in general is better.  When our country was founded it was said, &#8220;The government that governs least, governs best.&#8221;  That axiom still applies today, but is being followed less and less over the past several decades by both political parties.  When government wants to take over something, it tends to make things more difficult and often more expensive, regardless of what is promised.  I would rather that they do this right, not just fast, to get it done.</p>
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		<title>By: PWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised that no one has commented on the changes to Flexible Spending Accounts.  The government is about to take away, and very soon (1/1/2010), over the counter medications as a viable expense.  A few things are wrong with this picture:
1.  Many plans have start dates that have already occurred for 2009/2010 and employees made elections that included purchasing over the counter medications over 12 months.  If this goes into effect employees may lose that money unless provisions are made to allow employees to change their elections.
2.  Many drugs such as Zytec and Claritin are now available over the counter which cuts down on visits to the doctor for prescription refills thus saving the employee/participant money on office co-pays and prescription co-pays.  I cannot understand the reasoning here in eliminating over the counter medications without doctors prescription.
3.  The vendors of over the counter medications, drug stores, Target, Walmart, etc., have just had to install software upgrades to identify FSA eligible over the counter medications.  Why aren&#039;t these groups fighting this, they had to spend thousands of dollars to implement this software that was mandated by the IRS.  

Limiting the dollar amount for Flex plans limits those that rely on using the tax favored money to help pay for on-going medical problems.  This is making employees more accountable for their own expenses and in turn allows insurance to be structured to make employees have to pick up more out of pocket expense.  


I don&#039;t understand why more employers and employees are not upset by the changes to Flex plans.  We all need to make contact with our congress members about these changes and COMPLAIN!!!  These changes could go into effect JANUARY 1, 2010!! That&#039;s just 3 months away folks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that no one has commented on the changes to Flexible Spending Accounts.  The government is about to take away, and very soon (1/1/2010), over the counter medications as a viable expense.  A few things are wrong with this picture:<br />
1.  Many plans have start dates that have already occurred for 2009/2010 and employees made elections that included purchasing over the counter medications over 12 months.  If this goes into effect employees may lose that money unless provisions are made to allow employees to change their elections.<br />
2.  Many drugs such as Zytec and Claritin are now available over the counter which cuts down on visits to the doctor for prescription refills thus saving the employee/participant money on office co-pays and prescription co-pays.  I cannot understand the reasoning here in eliminating over the counter medications without doctors prescription.<br />
3.  The vendors of over the counter medications, drug stores, Target, Walmart, etc., have just had to install software upgrades to identify FSA eligible over the counter medications.  Why aren&#8217;t these groups fighting this, they had to spend thousands of dollars to implement this software that was mandated by the IRS.  </p>
<p>Limiting the dollar amount for Flex plans limits those that rely on using the tax favored money to help pay for on-going medical problems.  This is making employees more accountable for their own expenses and in turn allows insurance to be structured to make employees have to pick up more out of pocket expense.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why more employers and employees are not upset by the changes to Flex plans.  We all need to make contact with our congress members about these changes and COMPLAIN!!!  These changes could go into effect JANUARY 1, 2010!! That&#8217;s just 3 months away folks!!</p>
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