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	<title>Comments on: HR&#8217;s lighter side: EEOC commits labor violation</title>
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		<title>By: Deeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a long time EEOC employee, I am very aware of this finding and where it came from.  It did happen under Bush&#039;s administration but I think that has absolutely nothing to do with it.  It has happened at this agency, more than once, and under other administrations.   What usually happens is that everyone gets lacadaisical about the &quot;rules&quot;, an employee works beyond their normal tour of duty and the supervisor knows it.  Most folks don&#039;t care, they use the time elsewhere.  However, you will get that one supervisor who then refuses to let the employee use the time, insisting that they take leave for an hour for something.  This results in the employee getting ticked off and contacting the union.  Then they find that hundreds of employees are working this way, beyond normal tour of duty and supervisors know it.   The rule is you must have overtime funds and offer overtime first, the employee can choose comp time but you must have overtime funds and must offer them.    

Sometimes things bite you in the butt and it is usually brought on by a couple of unreasonable folks who don&#039;t mind you doing one thing but act as if it is coming from their pockets if you want to do something else.    These issues have come up in several federal agencies on a recurring basis.  Just like the issue comes up in private industry for working folks overtime and not paying them.   No different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long time EEOC employee, I am very aware of this finding and where it came from.  It did happen under Bush&#8217;s administration but I think that has absolutely nothing to do with it.  It has happened at this agency, more than once, and under other administrations.   What usually happens is that everyone gets lacadaisical about the &#8220;rules&#8221;, an employee works beyond their normal tour of duty and the supervisor knows it.  Most folks don&#8217;t care, they use the time elsewhere.  However, you will get that one supervisor who then refuses to let the employee use the time, insisting that they take leave for an hour for something.  This results in the employee getting ticked off and contacting the union.  Then they find that hundreds of employees are working this way, beyond normal tour of duty and supervisors know it.   The rule is you must have overtime funds and offer overtime first, the employee can choose comp time but you must have overtime funds and must offer them.    </p>
<p>Sometimes things bite you in the butt and it is usually brought on by a couple of unreasonable folks who don&#8217;t mind you doing one thing but act as if it is coming from their pockets if you want to do something else.    These issues have come up in several federal agencies on a recurring basis.  Just like the issue comes up in private industry for working folks overtime and not paying them.   No different.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillaine,
So a person can&#039;t disagree with Obama because he is half African American?  I think your comment shows that you are a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillaine,<br />
So a person can&#8217;t disagree with Obama because he is half African American?  I think your comment shows that you are a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillaine, Yours is about the most ignorant comment I have read on these web sites in a while. You should be proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillaine, Yours is about the most ignorant comment I have read on these web sites in a while. You should be proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With NO exceptions, every person I know that bashes our current president is a closet racist.
hmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With NO exceptions, every person I know that bashes our current president is a closet racist.<br />
hmmm</p>
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		<title>By: BW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all you GW Bush haters, look in the mirror, don&#039;t just point fingers.  Do you really like the new &quot;Change&quot; Obama is giving us (and proposing to give us)?  The thing is, he has given us change, it&#039;s called socialism and them we will be on our way to communism, because socialism is not a destination.  Most people might have thought he meant &quot;change for the good of Americans&quot; but that doesn&#039;t seem to be the case.
I really haven&#039;t seen too much (oh that&#039;s right, NONE) of the transparency he said he would give us if elected President of the USA.  Maybe my CSPAN channel isn&#039;t working properly.  
Maybe we will all be working for the government soon. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all you GW Bush haters, look in the mirror, don&#8217;t just point fingers.  Do you really like the new &#8220;Change&#8221; Obama is giving us (and proposing to give us)?  The thing is, he has given us change, it&#8217;s called socialism and them we will be on our way to communism, because socialism is not a destination.  Most people might have thought he meant &#8220;change for the good of Americans&#8221; but that doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case.<br />
I really haven&#8217;t seen too much (oh that&#8217;s right, NONE) of the transparency he said he would give us if elected President of the USA.  Maybe my CSPAN channel isn&#8217;t working properly.<br />
Maybe we will all be working for the government soon. <img src='http://www.hrmorning.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Law Enforcement (or being a pilot for an airline, or several other types of jobs) do discriminate on the basis of age.  This is not unlawful, and is considered a minimum job requirement in many jurisdictions.  It is actions not prohibited by US Title VII or the ADEA, and has already been authorized by law and vetted by the Court system in a variety of different cases.

Interestingly, in the case of the law enforcement agency I work for, we do not have a maximum age; you must show you can meet the physical, mental, and psychological requirements of the position.  Nevertheless, like the FBI and other agencies, Peace Officer Standards and Training Regulations &quot;could&quot; require it in my state.  They currently do not.

This is not the only form of lawful discrimination allowed in law enforcement.  For example, you must also be a US Citizen.  Not a permanent resident or otherwise authorized to work in the US, but an actual US Citizen.  This is also generally viewed as unlawful discrimination on the basis of citizenship, an act most employers are prohibited by Federal law from committing.

Another example is you cannot have a record of any felony conviction.  Even if it is expunged.  Again, there are laws in many states, including mine, that would normally prohibit discriminition based on the mere existence of any felony alone, especially in cases where that conviction was expunged.

Age, citizenship, conviction discriminination is unlawful...but not so with law enforcement.  You may not like it, but there are some jobs or career fields in the country that form lawful exceptions to what we normally are trained to think of as unlawful discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law Enforcement (or being a pilot for an airline, or several other types of jobs) do discriminate on the basis of age.  This is not unlawful, and is considered a minimum job requirement in many jurisdictions.  It is actions not prohibited by US Title VII or the ADEA, and has already been authorized by law and vetted by the Court system in a variety of different cases.</p>
<p>Interestingly, in the case of the law enforcement agency I work for, we do not have a maximum age; you must show you can meet the physical, mental, and psychological requirements of the position.  Nevertheless, like the FBI and other agencies, Peace Officer Standards and Training Regulations &#8220;could&#8221; require it in my state.  They currently do not.</p>
<p>This is not the only form of lawful discrimination allowed in law enforcement.  For example, you must also be a US Citizen.  Not a permanent resident or otherwise authorized to work in the US, but an actual US Citizen.  This is also generally viewed as unlawful discrimination on the basis of citizenship, an act most employers are prohibited by Federal law from committing.</p>
<p>Another example is you cannot have a record of any felony conviction.  Even if it is expunged.  Again, there are laws in many states, including mine, that would normally prohibit discriminition based on the mere existence of any felony alone, especially in cases where that conviction was expunged.</p>
<p>Age, citizenship, conviction discriminination is unlawful&#8230;but not so with law enforcement.  You may not like it, but there are some jobs or career fields in the country that form lawful exceptions to what we normally are trained to think of as unlawful discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: T.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not just parks. That is any law enforcement related field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not just parks. That is any law enforcement related field.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold on J.O. or should I say Rev. Wright, the current administration has run up more debt than all the previous administrations.  Unemployment is at 9.4%.  It&#039;s starting to look like the Carter administration with a spending problem.  Can we get past slamming George Bush and address today&#039;s issues?  The article is not about &quot;W&quot; it is about the people who make the rules not following them.  As I pointed out earlier the US government discriminates openly on age discrimination and there is no BFOQ for doing so.  I know park police officers who are 50 years old and doing a fine job but if you are 40 and apply they will not hire you based solely on your age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on J.O. or should I say Rev. Wright, the current administration has run up more debt than all the previous administrations.  Unemployment is at 9.4%.  It&#8217;s starting to look like the Carter administration with a spending problem.  Can we get past slamming George Bush and address today&#8217;s issues?  The article is not about &#8220;W&#8221; it is about the people who make the rules not following them.  As I pointed out earlier the US government discriminates openly on age discrimination and there is no BFOQ for doing so.  I know park police officers who are 50 years old and doing a fine job but if you are 40 and apply they will not hire you based solely on your age.</p>
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		<title>By: J.O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The W administration what can I say, the chickens came home to roost..zero accountability</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The W administration what can I say, the chickens came home to roost..zero accountability</p>
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		<title>By: J.O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I am not mistaken this happened under W administration and not the current administration. What an administration that was that did a superb job being good steward of tax payers dollars....runaway economic, worst since the depression. All I can say is the chickens came home to roost. The past 8 years of zero accountability, I can see it happening. This administration is being held to a higher standard; just 8 years to late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I am not mistaken this happened under W administration and not the current administration. What an administration that was that did a superb job being good steward of tax payers dollars&#8230;.runaway economic, worst since the depression. All I can say is the chickens came home to roost. The past 8 years of zero accountability, I can see it happening. This administration is being held to a higher standard; just 8 years to late.</p>
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