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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to weigh in on this...  

I think the &quot;underwear rule&quot; is really geared to making employees stop and think about what they wear so men (and women) won&#039;t fall victim to plumber&#039;s crack, so younger men won&#039;t wear baggy pants down around their knees and show off their boxers.  It&#039;s for those women who feel it is appropriate to go without a bra (or panties) under something that is white or sheer drawing attention to darker body parts, or to show their bra and cami straps under tank tops.  Those things are very blatant and could be very offensive to the rest of the population.  

So let&#039;s talk common sense.  I don&#039;t really think someone who&#039;s wearing a thong that doesn&#039;t show is going to be disciplined for not wearing underwear.  And I can&#039;t believe that someone will be designated &quot;underwear police.&quot;   But this dress code will give the employer the right to tell any employee that they should cover up and dress more appropriately for the workplace.  And they have reserved the right to tell an employee to remove their body jewelry in situations where it could be offensive to others or a hazard to the employee.  This IS common sense.  

This is a municipal dress code and the employees who fall under it are municipal workers who interact with the public (including those who are road workers, sanitation workers, office workers, etc.).  Thanks very much - I really don&#039;t want to see city workers showing off their body parts.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to weigh in on this&#8230;  </p>
<p>I think the &#8220;underwear rule&#8221; is really geared to making employees stop and think about what they wear so men (and women) won&#8217;t fall victim to plumber&#8217;s crack, so younger men won&#8217;t wear baggy pants down around their knees and show off their boxers.  It&#8217;s for those women who feel it is appropriate to go without a bra (or panties) under something that is white or sheer drawing attention to darker body parts, or to show their bra and cami straps under tank tops.  Those things are very blatant and could be very offensive to the rest of the population.  </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s talk common sense.  I don&#8217;t really think someone who&#8217;s wearing a thong that doesn&#8217;t show is going to be disciplined for not wearing underwear.  And I can&#8217;t believe that someone will be designated &#8220;underwear police.&#8221;   But this dress code will give the employer the right to tell any employee that they should cover up and dress more appropriately for the workplace.  And they have reserved the right to tell an employee to remove their body jewelry in situations where it could be offensive to others or a hazard to the employee.  This IS common sense.  </p>
<p>This is a municipal dress code and the employees who fall under it are municipal workers who interact with the public (including those who are road workers, sanitation workers, office workers, etc.).  Thanks very much &#8211; I really don&#8217;t want to see city workers showing off their body parts.  </p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLS,

I didn&#039;t say &quot;everyone&quot;, and what I meant was that simply having that rule will make some people &quot;think&quot; about the rule and pay attention to things that they otherwise would not even think of. 

If I tell you not to think of a pink elephant, but to name an animal, what is the first thing that comes to mind?

Externally, I dress appropriately for the environment that I am in and, as a general rule, I dress rather conservatively. However, what I wear underneath is my personal choice. Leather, silk, cotton, nothing... that is private and to be shared only with someone of my choosing. 

I fully support a rule forbidding underwear being visible. I also support a rule requiring the stomach and back to be covered. And for a dress or skirt to not be too short. But to mandate that someone must wear a bra or panties? Not a chance. Does that mean that I would encourage someone to go without a bra? Not bloody likely, but if they want to, that&#039;s their decision. I might encourage them to watch &quot;What Not To Wear,&quot; and I might nominate them to be on the show, however. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLS,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;everyone&#8221;, and what I meant was that simply having that rule will make some people &#8220;think&#8221; about the rule and pay attention to things that they otherwise would not even think of. </p>
<p>If I tell you not to think of a pink elephant, but to name an animal, what is the first thing that comes to mind?</p>
<p>Externally, I dress appropriately for the environment that I am in and, as a general rule, I dress rather conservatively. However, what I wear underneath is my personal choice. Leather, silk, cotton, nothing&#8230; that is private and to be shared only with someone of my choosing. </p>
<p>I fully support a rule forbidding underwear being visible. I also support a rule requiring the stomach and back to be covered. And for a dress or skirt to not be too short. But to mandate that someone must wear a bra or panties? Not a chance. Does that mean that I would encourage someone to go without a bra? Not bloody likely, but if they want to, that&#8217;s their decision. I might encourage them to watch &#8220;What Not To Wear,&#8221; and I might nominate them to be on the show, however. <img src='http://www.hrmorning.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why I like working in the medical field.  Everybody wears scrubs and hopefully underwear....I don&#039;t check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why I like working in the medical field.  Everybody wears scrubs and hopefully underwear&#8230;.I don&#8217;t check.</p>
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		<title>By: Essie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Essie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for a developer whose Office Manager admitted to dressing like a Hoochie Mama and enjoyed the male attention. Unbeknownst to her doting husband, she had sex with the owner of the plumbing company and then got fired for paying her personal utility bills with hand-written company checks. So maybe there is correlation between immodest dress and morales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for a developer whose Office Manager admitted to dressing like a Hoochie Mama and enjoyed the male attention. Unbeknownst to her doting husband, she had sex with the owner of the plumbing company and then got fired for paying her personal utility bills with hand-written company checks. So maybe there is correlation between immodest dress and morales.</p>
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		<title>By: CLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J,

You sound a bit dillusional.  It is doubtful &quot;everyone&quot; wants to know whether YOU are in compliance unless you have a habit of making a spectacle of yourself.  Perhaps an honest look in the mirror and a class in social maturity could reap more rewards for you than thong underwear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J,</p>
<p>You sound a bit dillusional.  It is doubtful &#8220;everyone&#8221; wants to know whether YOU are in compliance unless you have a habit of making a spectacle of yourself.  Perhaps an honest look in the mirror and a class in social maturity could reap more rewards for you than thong underwear.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ds,

I did not fully flesh out my thought (pun definitely intended). That is what I intended to say, but neglected to include before I clicked submit. It was less about appearing naked than about not attracting unwanted attention because of a panty-line. If I wanted to draw attention, I could wear bright red underwear of any cut under close-fit summer-weight white pants.

As for the rule being invasive, I argue that it encourages people who otherwise would never think about my choice of underwear to check me out as I pass by to make sure that I am in compliance. How is that not invasive? 

My choice to wear underwear is not like my choice to wear perfume: If I am loaded with perfume, everyone in the elevator is subjected to it, whereas my lack of underwear is a personal and private matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ds,</p>
<p>I did not fully flesh out my thought (pun definitely intended). That is what I intended to say, but neglected to include before I clicked submit. It was less about appearing naked than about not attracting unwanted attention because of a panty-line. If I wanted to draw attention, I could wear bright red underwear of any cut under close-fit summer-weight white pants.</p>
<p>As for the rule being invasive, I argue that it encourages people who otherwise would never think about my choice of underwear to check me out as I pass by to make sure that I am in compliance. How is that not invasive? </p>
<p>My choice to wear underwear is not like my choice to wear perfume: If I am loaded with perfume, everyone in the elevator is subjected to it, whereas my lack of underwear is a personal and private matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Getz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Getz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ J

I don&#039;t know if someone would *want* to prove you are, but could insist that you don&#039;t come back to work until all question is eliminated. I agree with &#039;ds&#039; in that if the desired affect is to look as if you are not wearing underwear, then perhaps you are confusing the work place with the night club. 

I personally don&#039;t want to see no underwear or really tight clothing at work as it is distracting. How one feels it is invasive to ask and not equally invasive not to be properly dressed is beyond me. 

Just so my point is clear; at the night club you can look as sexy as you want, sure. But at work, one should look professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ J</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if someone would *want* to prove you are, but could insist that you don&#8217;t come back to work until all question is eliminated. I agree with &#8216;ds&#8217; in that if the desired affect is to look as if you are not wearing underwear, then perhaps you are confusing the work place with the night club. </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t want to see no underwear or really tight clothing at work as it is distracting. How one feels it is invasive to ask and not equally invasive not to be properly dressed is beyond me. </p>
<p>Just so my point is clear; at the night club you can look as sexy as you want, sure. But at work, one should look professional.</p>
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		<title>By: ds</title>
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		<dc:creator>ds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J - excuse me for being invasive, but the fact that you want others to think you are not wearing underwear tells me that you are purposely seeking to be provocative in your dress.  Perhaps if you said, &quot;I wear a thong so that you don&#039;t see an ugly underwear line&quot;, I could be ok with your comment.  I can&#039;t, however, see how asking people to wear underwear is invasive.  It is offensive to me to have to look at those - or try very hard not to look at those - who are obviously not wearing underwear...this interferes with my desire (and my boss&#039; desire) to be productive at work.

It is so ridiculous that this topic has to even come up. But the truth is, it does have to come up.  Yuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J &#8211; excuse me for being invasive, but the fact that you want others to think you are not wearing underwear tells me that you are purposely seeking to be provocative in your dress.  Perhaps if you said, &#8220;I wear a thong so that you don&#8217;t see an ugly underwear line&#8221;, I could be ok with your comment.  I can&#8217;t, however, see how asking people to wear underwear is invasive.  It is offensive to me to have to look at those &#8211; or try very hard not to look at those &#8211; who are obviously not wearing underwear&#8230;this interferes with my desire (and my boss&#8217; desire) to be productive at work.</p>
<p>It is so ridiculous that this topic has to even come up. But the truth is, it does have to come up.  Yuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no words...</description>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I am properly wearing a thong (meaning and the top band is not visible and it is not visible through my clothes), it would appear that I am not wearing underwear. That is the point and the desired effect. I dare someone to try to make me prove that I am in compliance. 

My underwear is my business. If it&#039;s not showing, it should not matter what (if anything) I am wearing under my clothes. 

This rule is more invasive and even less acceptable than a mandatory seat belt law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I am properly wearing a thong (meaning and the top band is not visible and it is not visible through my clothes), it would appear that I am not wearing underwear. That is the point and the desired effect. I dare someone to try to make me prove that I am in compliance. </p>
<p>My underwear is my business. If it&#8217;s not showing, it should not matter what (if anything) I am wearing under my clothes. </p>
<p>This rule is more invasive and even less acceptable than a mandatory seat belt law.</p>
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