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	<title>Comments on: Congress votes on &#8216;Ledbetter&#8217; and &#8216;Paycheck Fairness&#8217; Acts</title>
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		<title>By: HR Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/ledbetter-and-paycheck-fairness-acts-pass-house/comment-page-2/#comment-5155</link>
		<dc:creator>HR Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All about the People: That&#039;s because you are blinded by your own agenda. Enough of this topic. Next...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All about the People: That&#8217;s because you are blinded by your own agenda. Enough of this topic. Next&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: All About the People</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/ledbetter-and-paycheck-fairness-acts-pass-house/comment-page-1/#comment-5153</link>
		<dc:creator>All About the People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry...I will be more bland when pointing out people&#039;s hypocrisy in the future.  I still haven&#039;t seen any constructive conversation on these topics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;I will be more bland when pointing out people&#8217;s hypocrisy in the future.  I still haven&#8217;t seen any constructive conversation on these topics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/ledbetter-and-paycheck-fairness-acts-pass-house/comment-page-1/#comment-5121</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any participant on this blog more &quot;ranting and raving&quot; than &quot;All about the people&quot;..........................whats with all the exclamation marks?  Wow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any participant on this blog more &#8220;ranting and raving&#8221; than &#8220;All about the people&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..whats with all the exclamation marks?  Wow</p>
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		<title>By: All About the People</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/ledbetter-and-paycheck-fairness-acts-pass-house/comment-page-1/#comment-5097</link>
		<dc:creator>All About the People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Former HR Assistant&quot;: - EXACTLY!!  Paraphrased, most of these posts tell the employees to stop whining, suck it up and do their jobs or go find another one and also have them complaining themselves about following new rules, etc.  We expect our employees to follow the rules we have set in place -- in the form of a handbook -- whether they like it or not because, hey, those are the rules.  However, it&#039;s a bit hypocritical for the HR professionals to whine and complain because they don&#039;t like the rules when they should stop whining, suck it up and do their jobs...or go find another one.  If an employee doesn&#039;t like my attendance policy I will explain that it is in place for a reason and nobody has to follow it, but if they don&#039;t they will be out of a job.  Maybe one bad apple spoiled it for everyone but that&#039;s just the way it is.  These laws are no different.  Maybe it was one or two bad companies the fostered the need for these changes, but that is just the way it is!!!  I think instead of going off on six paragraph rants about &quot;big brother&quot; trying to tell us what to do we should be thinking of ways to implement these laws in a constructive way.  I do think that a good number of these HR professionals need to take part in their EAPs!!  If I was so angry and stressed everyday, I would find another line of work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Former HR Assistant&#8221;: &#8211; EXACTLY!!  Paraphrased, most of these posts tell the employees to stop whining, suck it up and do their jobs or go find another one and also have them complaining themselves about following new rules, etc.  We expect our employees to follow the rules we have set in place &#8212; in the form of a handbook &#8212; whether they like it or not because, hey, those are the rules.  However, it&#8217;s a bit hypocritical for the HR professionals to whine and complain because they don&#8217;t like the rules when they should stop whining, suck it up and do their jobs&#8230;or go find another one.  If an employee doesn&#8217;t like my attendance policy I will explain that it is in place for a reason and nobody has to follow it, but if they don&#8217;t they will be out of a job.  Maybe one bad apple spoiled it for everyone but that&#8217;s just the way it is.  These laws are no different.  Maybe it was one or two bad companies the fostered the need for these changes, but that is just the way it is!!!  I think instead of going off on six paragraph rants about &#8220;big brother&#8221; trying to tell us what to do we should be thinking of ways to implement these laws in a constructive way.  I do think that a good number of these HR professionals need to take part in their EAPs!!  If I was so angry and stressed everyday, I would find another line of work!</p>
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		<title>By: Former HR Assistant</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/ledbetter-and-paycheck-fairness-acts-pass-house/comment-page-1/#comment-5076</link>
		<dc:creator>Former HR Assistant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All About The People Says, you are absolutely correct!  

I was so appalled at how nasty and cynical my former HR directors and managers treated employees because of the new employment laws!  When they came around me bashing President Obama, I told them that I didn&#039;t want to hear it and I dared them to say anything racist. I voluntarily exited this position with glee because who wants to be around all this whining baby mess! 

Some of you seem panic stricken. I strongly suggest that you consider making an appointment with your employee assistance program so that you can handle all the work you have to do.  It seems to me that you can&#039;t take what you have been dishing out to employees for over 8 years!  

Just do what you have been telling employees to do all along, stop whining and find solutions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All About The People Says, you are absolutely correct!  </p>
<p>I was so appalled at how nasty and cynical my former HR directors and managers treated employees because of the new employment laws!  When they came around me bashing President Obama, I told them that I didn&#8217;t want to hear it and I dared them to say anything racist. I voluntarily exited this position with glee because who wants to be around all this whining baby mess! </p>
<p>Some of you seem panic stricken. I strongly suggest that you consider making an appointment with your employee assistance program so that you can handle all the work you have to do.  It seems to me that you can&#8217;t take what you have been dishing out to employees for over 8 years!  </p>
<p>Just do what you have been telling employees to do all along, stop whining and find solutions!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the president signed the Lily Ledbetter Act, we&#039;ll see how it really shakes out.  I have already received an e-mail flash from my attorney stating that every pay change had better be well-documented (we know this but it doesn&#039;t always happen) and we should keep every personnel record FOREVER.

To all of you who have been contributing these last few days, it&#039;s terrific that you&#039;re thinking and you care.  That&#039;s why we&#039;re in HR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the president signed the Lily Ledbetter Act, we&#8217;ll see how it really shakes out.  I have already received an e-mail flash from my attorney stating that every pay change had better be well-documented (we know this but it doesn&#8217;t always happen) and we should keep every personnel record FOREVER.</p>
<p>To all of you who have been contributing these last few days, it&#8217;s terrific that you&#8217;re thinking and you care.  That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re in HR.</p>
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		<title>By: SheBurns</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/ledbetter-and-paycheck-fairness-acts-pass-house/comment-page-1/#comment-5026</link>
		<dc:creator>SheBurns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone ever said in this discussion that the US is a Democracy, but I did say it was set up to promote democracy, meaning democratic principles of equlity, where everyone is equal under the law. For a long time this was not the case, and when it became closer to being the case, CORPORATIONS, especially huge ones, got legislatin which designated them as persons and they have so much more power than the average citizen that they are basically in charge of our country now, also known as the Shadow Government.
 No one ever talks about Republican principles except in the case of the political party, and then it isn&#039;t principles but positions. I know the diff between a Democracy and a Republic and it is very clear the US is a Republic (in prinicple) which was not established by the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, but by the Constitution itself. 

Thanks again for the site references for these bills, Lynn, and all you contribute in these discussions. You are my hero!  

Most companies now buy &quot;Employment Pracitces&quot; Insuruance for all types of employee claims, then you only have to pay the premium &amp; if there is a claim the deductable, which usually goes to the company&#039;s lawyer.  The premiums for these are based on # of employees, previous lawsuits, and your employee manual among other things.  That way, no one is going to actaully pay beyond their premium and deductable for frivolous or valid lawsuits.  (Granted the more lawsuits there are the bigger those premiums become.) Lawsuits from clients are more likely to drive us out of business, like the drycleaner who got sued by his creepy client, but where was his liability insurance? Our insurer always steps up when we have that rare claim against us. 
Business owners are always talking about  their fear of going out of business for one reason or another, usually having to do with lawsuits or government regulations or unions. But I wonder how often that actually happens.  I think it is rare.  More often people go out of business because their is no demand for their goods &amp; services or because the finances are poorly managed. The SBA reports 7 top reasons for business failure and none of them are excessive costs of government regs or costs of lawsuits or costa of labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone ever said in this discussion that the US is a Democracy, but I did say it was set up to promote democracy, meaning democratic principles of equlity, where everyone is equal under the law. For a long time this was not the case, and when it became closer to being the case, CORPORATIONS, especially huge ones, got legislatin which designated them as persons and they have so much more power than the average citizen that they are basically in charge of our country now, also known as the Shadow Government.<br />
 No one ever talks about Republican principles except in the case of the political party, and then it isn&#8217;t principles but positions. I know the diff between a Democracy and a Republic and it is very clear the US is a Republic (in prinicple) which was not established by the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, but by the Constitution itself. </p>
<p>Thanks again for the site references for these bills, Lynn, and all you contribute in these discussions. You are my hero!  </p>
<p>Most companies now buy &#8220;Employment Pracitces&#8221; Insuruance for all types of employee claims, then you only have to pay the premium &amp; if there is a claim the deductable, which usually goes to the company&#8217;s lawyer.  The premiums for these are based on # of employees, previous lawsuits, and your employee manual among other things.  That way, no one is going to actaully pay beyond their premium and deductable for frivolous or valid lawsuits.  (Granted the more lawsuits there are the bigger those premiums become.) Lawsuits from clients are more likely to drive us out of business, like the drycleaner who got sued by his creepy client, but where was his liability insurance? Our insurer always steps up when we have that rare claim against us.<br />
Business owners are always talking about  their fear of going out of business for one reason or another, usually having to do with lawsuits or government regulations or unions. But I wonder how often that actually happens.  I think it is rare.  More often people go out of business because their is no demand for their goods &amp; services or because the finances are poorly managed. The SBA reports 7 top reasons for business failure and none of them are excessive costs of government regs or costs of lawsuits or costa of labor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion is wonderful but I have to correct one very important issue - the United States is not a democracy – it is a republic.  Remember the Pledge of Allegiance?  … and to the Republic for which it stands…  Our economic system is not and never has been pure capitalism.  

Back to the issue at hand – how long will a company need to keep payroll records – granted they can be scanned and kept on a disc but you still need to store tham and plan on doing that every year.  I think most companies try to do the right thing but it is expensive to defend every allegation.  So, maybe there should be a law that if you lose the case you must pay the other sides’ legal defense costs?  Yes, I know that opens up a can worms but as a small company that does pay fairly, we could not afford to defend ourselves against frivolous claims for very long – then there would be about 35 people out of a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion is wonderful but I have to correct one very important issue &#8211; the United States is not a democracy – it is a republic.  Remember the Pledge of Allegiance?  … and to the Republic for which it stands…  Our economic system is not and never has been pure capitalism.  </p>
<p>Back to the issue at hand – how long will a company need to keep payroll records – granted they can be scanned and kept on a disc but you still need to store tham and plan on doing that every year.  I think most companies try to do the right thing but it is expensive to defend every allegation.  So, maybe there should be a law that if you lose the case you must pay the other sides’ legal defense costs?  Yes, I know that opens up a can worms but as a small company that does pay fairly, we could not afford to defend ourselves against frivolous claims for very long – then there would be about 35 people out of a job.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but WHO comes up with this sort of legislation?  It is nearly impossible to keep track of it all.  And when it does come down the pipe we are often bewildered that things like Ledbetter are even considered!  The ranting and raving isn&#039;t about &quot;government hating&quot; but really, who comes up with the garbage the rest of us are left to properly hammer out for years on end.  It is exhausting that our legisaltors never seem to have a clue from the get go.

As for &quot;for the people&quot;, a good HR person is a professional that looks out for EVERYONE so if we are a little,a s you say,  &quot;government hating deviant conspiracy theorists&quot;  so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but WHO comes up with this sort of legislation?  It is nearly impossible to keep track of it all.  And when it does come down the pipe we are often bewildered that things like Ledbetter are even considered!  The ranting and raving isn&#8217;t about &#8220;government hating&#8221; but really, who comes up with the garbage the rest of us are left to properly hammer out for years on end.  It is exhausting that our legisaltors never seem to have a clue from the get go.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;for the people&#8221;, a good HR person is a professional that looks out for EVERYONE so if we are a little,a s you say,  &#8220;government hating deviant conspiracy theorists&#8221;  so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: HR Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>HR Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last couple of posts are exactly why I posted the socialism comment. Lynn, you have it right again. We can sit and complain about what&#039;s going down the pipeline (laws), but what are we doing about it (requires action on the people&#039;s part)? Certain things about these bills don&#039;t sit well with me...and, by the sound of it, others as well. 

The purpose of my posts are to encourage people to really read what is in front of the legislature and react to it...use the democratic process. If you read it your self instead of using what someone else extracted from it, your view point will end up tainted. I&#039;m not a conspiricy theorist, by any means...I just see what&#039;s happening and I don&#039;t like it. When you see things like someone being able to sue a company for unequal salary, even though they don&#039;t belong to the same organization...or even in the same geographic area, you should ask why? I can understand in the same org...but why should it not matter what company you are with or where you are located? That doesn&#039;t make sense...if it makes sense to you, tell everyone why you think it&#039;s good. Maybe you have an idea that no one has thought of... you can&#039;t just sit back and say...&quot;well, the intent of the proposed bill (s) is good...&quot; of course it can be...but it can also be filled with ear marks. Ask yourself, what else is in that bill?

SheBurns...you are correct, the legislature is constantly a work in progress...that is exactly why you have to question and react to everything that&#039;s in front of them. 

I, for one, enjoy this site because it encourages debate and thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last couple of posts are exactly why I posted the socialism comment. Lynn, you have it right again. We can sit and complain about what&#8217;s going down the pipeline (laws), but what are we doing about it (requires action on the people&#8217;s part)? Certain things about these bills don&#8217;t sit well with me&#8230;and, by the sound of it, others as well. </p>
<p>The purpose of my posts are to encourage people to really read what is in front of the legislature and react to it&#8230;use the democratic process. If you read it your self instead of using what someone else extracted from it, your view point will end up tainted. I&#8217;m not a conspiricy theorist, by any means&#8230;I just see what&#8217;s happening and I don&#8217;t like it. When you see things like someone being able to sue a company for unequal salary, even though they don&#8217;t belong to the same organization&#8230;or even in the same geographic area, you should ask why? I can understand in the same org&#8230;but why should it not matter what company you are with or where you are located? That doesn&#8217;t make sense&#8230;if it makes sense to you, tell everyone why you think it&#8217;s good. Maybe you have an idea that no one has thought of&#8230; you can&#8217;t just sit back and say&#8230;&#8221;well, the intent of the proposed bill (s) is good&#8230;&#8221; of course it can be&#8230;but it can also be filled with ear marks. Ask yourself, what else is in that bill?</p>
<p>SheBurns&#8230;you are correct, the legislature is constantly a work in progress&#8230;that is exactly why you have to question and react to everything that&#8217;s in front of them. </p>
<p>I, for one, enjoy this site because it encourages debate and thought.</p>
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