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		<title>By: n</title>
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		<dc:creator>n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not promote unfairness anywhere.  Just not acceptable... however bottom line.  It is still a free (to some degree) country.  Quit that job and sue (lol).  If enough employees quit and sue, that company is going to go under by itself.  So &quot;treat your employees good and they will treat you good&quot; is a morally proper thing to do and the best way to run a business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not promote unfairness anywhere.  Just not acceptable&#8230; however bottom line.  It is still a free (to some degree) country.  Quit that job and sue (lol).  If enough employees quit and sue, that company is going to go under by itself.  So &#8220;treat your employees good and they will treat you good&#8221; is a morally proper thing to do and the best way to run a business.</p>
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		<title>By: Say What</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say What</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another message from Jim who is hung up on that word &quot;DATA&quot;.  Everyone knows that statistics can be, and most often times are, skewed to show the view that the person or people gathering the data want to show.  That&#039;s a fact.  Here&#039;s a fact -- or some data if you will -- 9 out of 10 of the people who enter my practice have a legitimate claim against their employer.  In case simple math escapes the self-proclaimed Libertarians, Government-haters and conspiracy theorists -- that is 90%.  If I had 10 people a month walk into my office I would say, &quot;Eh, that is not impressive.&quot;  However, I am scheduling initial consultations over a month out because we are so busy.  I am not talking about the, &quot;Oh I got laid-off and I am now ticked at my boss.&quot; kind of complaints.  Those are generally weeded out through an initial phone call.  I am talking harassment, wrongful termination, retaliation, discrimination type of complaints...and legitimate ones at that.  I have already put the Ledbetter Act to good use.

Here&#039;s some more data:  In this tough economy where employers are needing to make cuts, they do make those cuts and I have seen seven cases just last week where the employers cut employees and those that remain are working extra and somehow &quot;losing&quot; that overtime pay.  I wouldn&#039;t call that fair, would you?

Let&#039;s get off the Government-hating, socialism, big-brother kick and realize that whereas some employers (like Jim&#039;s apparently) may have the sun shining out of their a$$es, most these days don&#039;t.  Don&#039;t complain about not having enough time to do your job properly and see to the best interests of your employees and yet still find time to post these ridiculously longs posts on here.  If your employer is SO wonderful and treats employees SO well, you won&#039;t have to worry about new unionization laws, fair pay acts, paid sick days, etc.  You will just roll with the punches with a big smile on your face and quit being so miserable every second of every day!  All I know is if I had HR people in a company like some of these folks, I would go straight to a lawyer, the EEOC or the D.O.L. too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another message from Jim who is hung up on that word &#8220;DATA&#8221;.  Everyone knows that statistics can be, and most often times are, skewed to show the view that the person or people gathering the data want to show.  That&#8217;s a fact.  Here&#8217;s a fact &#8212; or some data if you will &#8212; 9 out of 10 of the people who enter my practice have a legitimate claim against their employer.  In case simple math escapes the self-proclaimed Libertarians, Government-haters and conspiracy theorists &#8212; that is 90%.  If I had 10 people a month walk into my office I would say, &#8220;Eh, that is not impressive.&#8221;  However, I am scheduling initial consultations over a month out because we are so busy.  I am not talking about the, &#8220;Oh I got laid-off and I am now ticked at my boss.&#8221; kind of complaints.  Those are generally weeded out through an initial phone call.  I am talking harassment, wrongful termination, retaliation, discrimination type of complaints&#8230;and legitimate ones at that.  I have already put the Ledbetter Act to good use.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some more data:  In this tough economy where employers are needing to make cuts, they do make those cuts and I have seen seven cases just last week where the employers cut employees and those that remain are working extra and somehow &#8220;losing&#8221; that overtime pay.  I wouldn&#8217;t call that fair, would you?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get off the Government-hating, socialism, big-brother kick and realize that whereas some employers (like Jim&#8217;s apparently) may have the sun shining out of their a$$es, most these days don&#8217;t.  Don&#8217;t complain about not having enough time to do your job properly and see to the best interests of your employees and yet still find time to post these ridiculously longs posts on here.  If your employer is SO wonderful and treats employees SO well, you won&#8217;t have to worry about new unionization laws, fair pay acts, paid sick days, etc.  You will just roll with the punches with a big smile on your face and quit being so miserable every second of every day!  All I know is if I had HR people in a company like some of these folks, I would go straight to a lawyer, the EEOC or the D.O.L. too!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without data, MANY MANY is hard to quantify and certainly not justification for making massive changes in a representative republic.  We unfortunately live in a climate where the press and politicians mold opinion through fear (Bowling For Columbine any one?).  Public outrage over a very small segment of people who pay themselves bonuses swamps the news but does not represent the norm yet we are swift to enact legislation in response (or attempt to). Our reactions are knee-jerk, our focus not clear.  We punish the masses because of the few. We take isolated examples, amplify them and use them to force change through fear. We thrive on class-envy and pitting one group of Americans against another. Not a good way to live and a poor way to legislate yet this seems to be an acceptable method these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without data, MANY MANY is hard to quantify and certainly not justification for making massive changes in a representative republic.  We unfortunately live in a climate where the press and politicians mold opinion through fear (Bowling For Columbine any one?).  Public outrage over a very small segment of people who pay themselves bonuses swamps the news but does not represent the norm yet we are swift to enact legislation in response (or attempt to). Our reactions are knee-jerk, our focus not clear.  We punish the masses because of the few. We take isolated examples, amplify them and use them to force change through fear. We thrive on class-envy and pitting one group of Americans against another. Not a good way to live and a poor way to legislate yet this seems to be an acceptable method these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Say What</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say What</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay - Finally somone on here who doesn&#039;t sit on a pedestal, pat their own back and gush about how awesome their employees are treated.  There are MANY, MANY employers that do not treat employees well and let&#039;s face it, if there weren&#039;t, I would not have such a thriving practice in the field of employment law.  I see the results of all of these fabulous companies every single day and just when I think I have seen everything...a company shocks me with their audacity and assumption that their employees are too stupid to know better.  I agree with every word you wrote and unfortunately, now that it is an employer&#039;s market, it is happening more and more and more because people can&#039;t just up and get another job.  

I could drop jaws with the things I hear everyday and I don&#039;t mean things I hear by disgruntled employees who just want to &quot;get back&quot; at their employers, because yes, I do hear that too!  More and more though it is just honest truths from people who are sick of being treated like dung.  As much as people complain about the government and socialism and rant on and on and on about all these conspiracy theories, they don&#039;t see the BIG picture and the reasons for these changes.

I say embrace the extra work and the changes.  If the company you work for happens to be one of the fabulous few, you will have nothing to worry about!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay &#8211; Finally somone on here who doesn&#8217;t sit on a pedestal, pat their own back and gush about how awesome their employees are treated.  There are MANY, MANY employers that do not treat employees well and let&#8217;s face it, if there weren&#8217;t, I would not have such a thriving practice in the field of employment law.  I see the results of all of these fabulous companies every single day and just when I think I have seen everything&#8230;a company shocks me with their audacity and assumption that their employees are too stupid to know better.  I agree with every word you wrote and unfortunately, now that it is an employer&#8217;s market, it is happening more and more and more because people can&#8217;t just up and get another job.  </p>
<p>I could drop jaws with the things I hear everyday and I don&#8217;t mean things I hear by disgruntled employees who just want to &#8220;get back&#8221; at their employers, because yes, I do hear that too!  More and more though it is just honest truths from people who are sick of being treated like dung.  As much as people complain about the government and socialism and rant on and on and on about all these conspiracy theories, they don&#8217;t see the BIG picture and the reasons for these changes.</p>
<p>I say embrace the extra work and the changes.  If the company you work for happens to be one of the fabulous few, you will have nothing to worry about!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well HR colleagues get ready!  Cause change is now here and it was inevitable.  I live in Georgia where employees have been treated horribly, ESPECIALLY by HR!  Our best practices have been in theory only and we have not lived up to our roles.   So the ivory towers are tumbling down and this is a wake up call. I sense that many of you are not up for the challenge.    As an HR professional I do not like or agree with some of things that I have seen happen to employees over the years specifically when star performers lose their jobs for no reason, and then we, HR, reward bad managers for bad behavior.  When formulas don&#039;t work this is what happens.  Again get ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well HR colleagues get ready!  Cause change is now here and it was inevitable.  I live in Georgia where employees have been treated horribly, ESPECIALLY by HR!  Our best practices have been in theory only and we have not lived up to our roles.   So the ivory towers are tumbling down and this is a wake up call. I sense that many of you are not up for the challenge.    As an HR professional I do not like or agree with some of things that I have seen happen to employees over the years specifically when star performers lose their jobs for no reason, and then we, HR, reward bad managers for bad behavior.  When formulas don&#8217;t work this is what happens.  Again get ready.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps what bothers me the most is that these laws are not the constructs of HR people who should be providing the leadership in these areas but rather politicians, lawyers, special interests and labor unions. Rather than throwing ones hands up and just doing more work because it comes from the government, we should be proactive as a profession, in defining the work place. 

What we are witnessing is not a new vision but a resurrection of the past. Tea Party indeed Fred! Let me know where and when!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps what bothers me the most is that these laws are not the constructs of HR people who should be providing the leadership in these areas but rather politicians, lawyers, special interests and labor unions. Rather than throwing ones hands up and just doing more work because it comes from the government, we should be proactive as a profession, in defining the work place. </p>
<p>What we are witnessing is not a new vision but a resurrection of the past. Tea Party indeed Fred! Let me know where and when!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Individual successes are the result of freedom, not domination by government  which is We The People were rebelling against when this country was founded. The Constitution guarantees freedom to pursue but not guarantee of success - that has to be earned by the individual.  Again, we functioned fine as a nation without the notion of a general income tax (8 states still function like that), without the need for social engineering and without the need for things like Social Security. It was only in the 20th century that this country set on a course towards socialism, rather than a representative republic that it was intended to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Individual successes are the result of freedom, not domination by government  which is We The People were rebelling against when this country was founded. The Constitution guarantees freedom to pursue but not guarantee of success &#8211; that has to be earned by the individual.  Again, we functioned fine as a nation without the notion of a general income tax (8 states still function like that), without the need for social engineering and without the need for things like Social Security. It was only in the 20th century that this country set on a course towards socialism, rather than a representative republic that it was intended to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Corbett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Corbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred,

You have strong views, and it is clear that you are frustrated. For that, I am sympathetic. But we are HR people. We solve problems, so nothing coming from Washington DC or any of our State Capitols should intimidate or infuriate us. We&#039;ll just roll up our sleeves and get things done. 

However Fred, you are mistaken in your polemic regarding why this Country has been successful on the world scene. While it is true that rugged individualism is one of the philosophies that has helped the growth of our Country, it is not a core principle for what our Country is and what it has stood for, over the 220 years of our existence. For that we need to come back to the basics of our democracy, and we can do that by re-visiting our Constitution; more specifically the Preamble (We the People  of the United States, in Order to form a More Perfect Union, Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility, Provide for the Common Defence, Promote the General Welfare, and Secure the Blessings of Liberty to Ourselves and Our Posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America...). 
These are not just words. They are the essence of &quot;We the People&quot; (all of us who claim the heritage handed down to us by previous generations of brave and committed people). When you consider that America is not an indigenous race like most nations in the world, we we need to remember that our experiment in self governing is fundamentally tied to our ideals, ones that had never been tried in the realm of nations prior to 1789, and we need to passionately embrace them . These words and ideals are the reasons so many millions of us have &quot;put our lives on the line&quot; in the many wars and conflicts we have faught in order to defend and protect this great Country of ours.  We &#039;ve succeeded as a people over 2 centuries because we have advanced as one people committed to those ideals. 
All of us need to remember that our individual successes are not exclusively the results of our own talents and initiative ALONE!  We need to thank millions of ground breakers whose great sacrifices made it possible for us to flourish in a free and just society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>You have strong views, and it is clear that you are frustrated. For that, I am sympathetic. But we are HR people. We solve problems, so nothing coming from Washington DC or any of our State Capitols should intimidate or infuriate us. We&#8217;ll just roll up our sleeves and get things done. </p>
<p>However Fred, you are mistaken in your polemic regarding why this Country has been successful on the world scene. While it is true that rugged individualism is one of the philosophies that has helped the growth of our Country, it is not a core principle for what our Country is and what it has stood for, over the 220 years of our existence. For that we need to come back to the basics of our democracy, and we can do that by re-visiting our Constitution; more specifically the Preamble (We the People  of the United States, in Order to form a More Perfect Union, Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility, Provide for the Common Defence, Promote the General Welfare, and Secure the Blessings of Liberty to Ourselves and Our Posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America&#8230;).<br />
These are not just words. They are the essence of &#8220;We the People&#8221; (all of us who claim the heritage handed down to us by previous generations of brave and committed people). When you consider that America is not an indigenous race like most nations in the world, we we need to remember that our experiment in self governing is fundamentally tied to our ideals, ones that had never been tried in the realm of nations prior to 1789, and we need to passionately embrace them . These words and ideals are the reasons so many millions of us have &#8220;put our lives on the line&#8221; in the many wars and conflicts we have faught in order to defend and protect this great Country of ours.  We &#8216;ve succeeded as a people over 2 centuries because we have advanced as one people committed to those ideals.<br />
All of us need to remember that our individual successes are not exclusively the results of our own talents and initiative ALONE!  We need to thank millions of ground breakers whose great sacrifices made it possible for us to flourish in a free and just society.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s strange as I read these posts.  Someone like Fred is classified as unhappy because he&#039;s not for change for the sake of change.  A person such as Tracy says accept change and incorporate that in a consetructive way.  Change is not always good.  I guess you can tell I agree with Fred.  Does that make me unhappy too?  Maybe Tracy has insight into me as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s strange as I read these posts.  Someone like Fred is classified as unhappy because he&#8217;s not for change for the sake of change.  A person such as Tracy says accept change and incorporate that in a consetructive way.  Change is not always good.  I guess you can tell I agree with Fred.  Does that make me unhappy too?  Maybe Tracy has insight into me as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but Fred is just an unhappy person.  Diane - I learned in college and throughout my experience that my role in HR is two-fold.  One - to protect the company and two, to protect the employees.  You said, &quot;Obviously, having happy and content employees helps us greatly in meeting that obligation, but realistically, it isn’t always possible.&quot;  It&#039;s never possible to make everyone happy...which is what we need to remember whether we are talking about the government, our professional lives or our personal lives.  Think about that quote.  Whether we like it or not, the government has responsibilities and they can&#039;t make everyone happy either.  They are going to tick off the employers or the employees, the republicans or the democrats, etc.  Bottom line is that you are right in that we can&#039;t make everyone happy. However, as I pointed out before, I am not &quot;company resources&quot; and I am not &quot;employee resources&quot;...I am HUMAN resources and as such I believe my obligation is to both my employer and the employees.  Bottom line...without your employees there is no bottom line.  There is too much hypocrisy here.  Complaining about lazy employees but griping about having extra work to do.  Talking about how we can&#039;t make everyone happy...when maybe we should remember that WE can&#039;t always be happy either.  Take your licks, do your jobs, earn your salary and go home everyday with a little pride that you have done a good job and hopefully made a difference...whether it be to your employer or an employee.  None of us is happy with ALL of these changes but to say you hate them all, well, you are going to be an unhappy person if you can&#039;t accept change and learn to incorporate that in a constructive way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but Fred is just an unhappy person.  Diane &#8211; I learned in college and throughout my experience that my role in HR is two-fold.  One &#8211; to protect the company and two, to protect the employees.  You said, &#8220;Obviously, having happy and content employees helps us greatly in meeting that obligation, but realistically, it isn’t always possible.&#8221;  It&#8217;s never possible to make everyone happy&#8230;which is what we need to remember whether we are talking about the government, our professional lives or our personal lives.  Think about that quote.  Whether we like it or not, the government has responsibilities and they can&#8217;t make everyone happy either.  They are going to tick off the employers or the employees, the republicans or the democrats, etc.  Bottom line is that you are right in that we can&#8217;t make everyone happy. However, as I pointed out before, I am not &#8220;company resources&#8221; and I am not &#8220;employee resources&#8221;&#8230;I am HUMAN resources and as such I believe my obligation is to both my employer and the employees.  Bottom line&#8230;without your employees there is no bottom line.  There is too much hypocrisy here.  Complaining about lazy employees but griping about having extra work to do.  Talking about how we can&#8217;t make everyone happy&#8230;when maybe we should remember that WE can&#8217;t always be happy either.  Take your licks, do your jobs, earn your salary and go home everyday with a little pride that you have done a good job and hopefully made a difference&#8230;whether it be to your employer or an employee.  None of us is happy with ALL of these changes but to say you hate them all, well, you are going to be an unhappy person if you can&#8217;t accept change and learn to incorporate that in a constructive way.</p>
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