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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, You&#039;re very brave to post that response.  Thank you for your opinion on the topic and good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, You&#8217;re very brave to post that response.  Thank you for your opinion on the topic and good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.hrmorning.com/you-suspect-an-employee-is-using-drugs-what-now/comment-page-1/#comment-52282</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an employer, do you REALLY want to help an employee you suspect is using drugs/alcohol? I&#039;ll tell you how....FIRE them. 

Here&#039;s why....I am THAT employee. I used for the better part of 10 years. The best Meth addict you&#039;d ever meet...unsuspected by most, kind to all, looked normal, work ethic fantastic. Personal life was horrific, but you&#039;d never know it. For the addicted who are working a job, living as a functional user and just trying to avoid painful childhood memories, or an abusive spouse or perhaps just wanting that extra &quot;kick&quot; to get going in the morning and maybe lose a few pounds...LOSING THEIR JOB, or eventually multiple jobs, is the best wake-up call you can give them. If they can still maintain a job, they have the desire to be a productive citizen and are probably just going through some mental depression or personal issues. Most likely they are in denial about the substance abuse and don&#039;t even recognize why they&#039;re self-medicating. Losing a job is a reality check and the only way to get through to them that they aren&#039;t going to ever &quot;get-by&quot; abusing drugs. Not forever. So from a recovering addict to the workforcel; don&#039;t reach out and offer EXCUSES for addicts to keep using. Just fire them. It&#039;ll save everyone involved a lot of time and money. Trust me, it&#039;ll be the most beneficial thing you can offer to someone with a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an employer, do you REALLY want to help an employee you suspect is using drugs/alcohol? I&#8217;ll tell you how&#8230;.FIRE them. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why&#8230;.I am THAT employee. I used for the better part of 10 years. The best Meth addict you&#8217;d ever meet&#8230;unsuspected by most, kind to all, looked normal, work ethic fantastic. Personal life was horrific, but you&#8217;d never know it. For the addicted who are working a job, living as a functional user and just trying to avoid painful childhood memories, or an abusive spouse or perhaps just wanting that extra &#8220;kick&#8221; to get going in the morning and maybe lose a few pounds&#8230;LOSING THEIR JOB, or eventually multiple jobs, is the best wake-up call you can give them. If they can still maintain a job, they have the desire to be a productive citizen and are probably just going through some mental depression or personal issues. Most likely they are in denial about the substance abuse and don&#8217;t even recognize why they&#8217;re self-medicating. Losing a job is a reality check and the only way to get through to them that they aren&#8217;t going to ever &#8220;get-by&#8221; abusing drugs. Not forever. So from a recovering addict to the workforcel; don&#8217;t reach out and offer EXCUSES for addicts to keep using. Just fire them. It&#8217;ll save everyone involved a lot of time and money. Trust me, it&#8217;ll be the most beneficial thing you can offer to someone with a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: RFM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this one... my wife was fired for refusing a &quot;random drug test&quot; that was the result of &quot;someone said you need to take drugs to come to work&quot;.  Her performance over the past 17 years was flawless and highly praised in her regular reviews.  There was no reason to suspect her of any wrong doing.  As a matter of fact, the day they called her into the office, they told her to finish her shift (one on one personal care for a disabled person) and then come in.
She was not impaired, offered to submit to the test if they could justify the testing for a reason other than a mystery third party reporting.

As an HR professional I certainly see value in covering bases... especially today, but is this what we have come to as a group of professionals.  In a non profit company of over 200 employees, one would hope that better sense would prevail. 

I have sent the link for HR Morning to her previous employer... unfortunately, it is appearing more and more evident that our profession is sliding the way of bankers, lawyers, and mob bosses... has ethics completely left the building?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this one&#8230; my wife was fired for refusing a &#8220;random drug test&#8221; that was the result of &#8220;someone said you need to take drugs to come to work&#8221;.  Her performance over the past 17 years was flawless and highly praised in her regular reviews.  There was no reason to suspect her of any wrong doing.  As a matter of fact, the day they called her into the office, they told her to finish her shift (one on one personal care for a disabled person) and then come in.<br />
She was not impaired, offered to submit to the test if they could justify the testing for a reason other than a mystery third party reporting.</p>
<p>As an HR professional I certainly see value in covering bases&#8230; especially today, but is this what we have come to as a group of professionals.  In a non profit company of over 200 employees, one would hope that better sense would prevail. </p>
<p>I have sent the link for HR Morning to her previous employer&#8230; unfortunately, it is appearing more and more evident that our profession is sliding the way of bankers, lawyers, and mob bosses&#8230; has ethics completely left the building?????</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do I approach a shop supervisor that is known to imbibe during his lunch break (away from the workplace) and comes back smeling like a brewery. Sometimes even reports to work in the morning the same way. Do I treat him like all the rest and tell him he must go for a random test due to reasonable suspicion because of an anonymous tip? Bearing in mind, that a positive result requires termination due to a zero tolerance program. The only negative in this whole scenario is that the president of the company hired him and did not make him sign off on any of the company policies which include Drug and Alcohol Policy. What are your suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do I approach a shop supervisor that is known to imbibe during his lunch break (away from the workplace) and comes back smeling like a brewery. Sometimes even reports to work in the morning the same way. Do I treat him like all the rest and tell him he must go for a random test due to reasonable suspicion because of an anonymous tip? Bearing in mind, that a positive result requires termination due to a zero tolerance program. The only negative in this whole scenario is that the president of the company hired him and did not make him sign off on any of the company policies which include Drug and Alcohol Policy. What are your suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Ann LaBohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Ann LaBohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my job with Drug Free Compliance, Inc.
Observations should be conducted by two managers if possible.  If it&#039;s agreed that the behavior is suspect, ALWAYS keep drug abuse as a last possibility.  Document everything!  There could be personal family problems, mental issues, etc.  If it is obvious that it&#039;s a drug (or alcohol) then the employee should be called in to discuss the observations made by the managers.  No discussion is made, as it will only give the employee an opportunity to give excuses.  The employee is then escorted to a collection site to validate drug use.  If the result is positive, then you can address assistance, or just firing if it&#039;s a small company with a no-tolerance policy.  If negative, help in assisting with any personal problems by recommending a counselor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my job with Drug Free Compliance, Inc.<br />
Observations should be conducted by two managers if possible.  If it&#8217;s agreed that the behavior is suspect, ALWAYS keep drug abuse as a last possibility.  Document everything!  There could be personal family problems, mental issues, etc.  If it is obvious that it&#8217;s a drug (or alcohol) then the employee should be called in to discuss the observations made by the managers.  No discussion is made, as it will only give the employee an opportunity to give excuses.  The employee is then escorted to a collection site to validate drug use.  If the result is positive, then you can address assistance, or just firing if it&#8217;s a small company with a no-tolerance policy.  If negative, help in assisting with any personal problems by recommending a counselor.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Benitez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Benitez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the industry I work in this is an issue.  It is important that in your policies handbook you have a place that states that all employees must inform their supervisor when they are taking medication during work hours.  This takes some of the responsibility off the employer and places it on the employee.  It also protects you later if the employee says that he/she was behaving in a certain manner because of the side effects of medication.  

What I&#039;ve done in the past is make sure there are definite signs that something is going on drug related or not.  For instance, if an employee suddenly begins to miss work, their hygiene changes, they&#039;re falling asleep on the job, or there are behavorial changes.  I then, in a very subtle way ask the employee if there is anything going on in their life that is causing the above mentioned changes and/or if they are on any medications and proceed from there.   This is their opportunity to come clean and it possibly relieves the company of any obligations to send the person for help.  

The easiest way is to make it a performance issue and get rid of the person.  Unless the employee states they have a drug problem, I would not state that I suspect the employee of drug abuse.  Remember that past drug use is protected under the ADA which is another can of worms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the industry I work in this is an issue.  It is important that in your policies handbook you have a place that states that all employees must inform their supervisor when they are taking medication during work hours.  This takes some of the responsibility off the employer and places it on the employee.  It also protects you later if the employee says that he/she was behaving in a certain manner because of the side effects of medication.  </p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve done in the past is make sure there are definite signs that something is going on drug related or not.  For instance, if an employee suddenly begins to miss work, their hygiene changes, they&#8217;re falling asleep on the job, or there are behavorial changes.  I then, in a very subtle way ask the employee if there is anything going on in their life that is causing the above mentioned changes and/or if they are on any medications and proceed from there.   This is their opportunity to come clean and it possibly relieves the company of any obligations to send the person for help.  </p>
<p>The easiest way is to make it a performance issue and get rid of the person.  Unless the employee states they have a drug problem, I would not state that I suspect the employee of drug abuse.  Remember that past drug use is protected under the ADA which is another can of worms.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Loupee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Loupee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim-

Perhaps our positions are not widely separated, or perhaps I&#039;m missing the point.  I believe most of us would be fine in approaching an employee with an apparent issue, and suggesting possible general courses of action (e.g., the Employee Assistance Program or the like), and also making ourselves available to help in some ways.  We have gone through those steps in many cases, especially in situations in which the employee&#039;s performance or behavior has taken a turn for the worse, but before we have come to the disciplinary stage.  However, I believe that by suggesting the manager or HR contact a doctor or drug counselor based on what he or she sees (or what he or she believes), the article seems to take the issue from generalized possible causes to a specific assumption of cause.  It&#039;s that assumption with which I have the issue, and which I believe can only be the province of the doctor or trained professional.

My two cents in any case.

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim-</p>
<p>Perhaps our positions are not widely separated, or perhaps I&#8217;m missing the point.  I believe most of us would be fine in approaching an employee with an apparent issue, and suggesting possible general courses of action (e.g., the Employee Assistance Program or the like), and also making ourselves available to help in some ways.  We have gone through those steps in many cases, especially in situations in which the employee&#8217;s performance or behavior has taken a turn for the worse, but before we have come to the disciplinary stage.  However, I believe that by suggesting the manager or HR contact a doctor or drug counselor based on what he or she sees (or what he or she believes), the article seems to take the issue from generalized possible causes to a specific assumption of cause.  It&#8217;s that assumption with which I have the issue, and which I believe can only be the province of the doctor or trained professional.</p>
<p>My two cents in any case.</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Carol VanEnwyck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol VanEnwyck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because we have people working for us with CDL A or B licenses, driving our vehicles, we have a drug &amp; alcohol substance policy in effect.  All of our drivers know they are subject to random drug &amp; alcohol testing.  If someone is coming back to work after being out on disability or workers&#039; compensation for a period of time, they are required to be cleared from both his/her own physician and our physician before they can return to work.  At that time they also have a drug and alcohol test.  If the test is positive, the testing facility checks with the employee to be sure there have not been any legal drugs taken that could lead to a false positive.
If there is (reasonable) suspicion of someone coming in to work with drugs or alcohol in their system, we can have them tested immediately.  If we didn&#039;t have them tested and later there is an accident, we&#039;re wide open for lawsuits for letting an impaired person behind the wheel.  For this same reason, if there is a suspicion a manager will bring the employee to the testing site. Our insurance company backs us up on this, as long as others are also being tested randomly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because we have people working for us with CDL A or B licenses, driving our vehicles, we have a drug &amp; alcohol substance policy in effect.  All of our drivers know they are subject to random drug &amp; alcohol testing.  If someone is coming back to work after being out on disability or workers&#8217; compensation for a period of time, they are required to be cleared from both his/her own physician and our physician before they can return to work.  At that time they also have a drug and alcohol test.  If the test is positive, the testing facility checks with the employee to be sure there have not been any legal drugs taken that could lead to a false positive.<br />
If there is (reasonable) suspicion of someone coming in to work with drugs or alcohol in their system, we can have them tested immediately.  If we didn&#8217;t have them tested and later there is an accident, we&#8217;re wide open for lawsuits for letting an impaired person behind the wheel.  For this same reason, if there is a suspicion a manager will bring the employee to the testing site. Our insurance company backs us up on this, as long as others are also being tested randomly.</p>
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		<title>By: Loreen Zahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loreen Zahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Mr. Loupee.  I also find it hard to believe that any professional would make a diagnosis or an evaluation without seeing the person in question.  Our company keeps it performance based. If they begin to share their reasons are medical, mental, etc. then we refer them to the EAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Mr. Loupee.  I also find it hard to believe that any professional would make a diagnosis or an evaluation without seeing the person in question.  Our company keeps it performance based. If they begin to share their reasons are medical, mental, etc. then we refer them to the EAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Giuliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Giuliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard: Thanks for your comment.
I believe the advice in the book does not ask the HR person to diagnose the problem. It just suggests that you can approach the employee and mention that there&#039;s a problem -- related to performance, behavior, etc., and the options available if the problem is substance-related.

The employee is able, at the point, to deny the problem is substance-related or accept help. Sorry, but I didn&#039;t see any diagnosis in that info or violation of the employee&#039;s privacy.

Thanks again for commenting.

Jim Giuliano
Editor
HRMorning.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard: Thanks for your comment.<br />
I believe the advice in the book does not ask the HR person to diagnose the problem. It just suggests that you can approach the employee and mention that there&#8217;s a problem &#8212; related to performance, behavior, etc., and the options available if the problem is substance-related.</p>
<p>The employee is able, at the point, to deny the problem is substance-related or accept help. Sorry, but I didn&#8217;t see any diagnosis in that info or violation of the employee&#8217;s privacy.</p>
<p>Thanks again for commenting.</p>
<p>Jim Giuliano<br />
Editor<br />
HRMorning.com</p>
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